Fish828
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only the bersa .380s are walther clones, not the 9mms
Inexpensive new 9mm for range & carry?
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only the bersa .380s are walther clones, not the 9mms
tinygnat219
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I voted the Sigma since you said this would mostly be a range gun. I think S&W is running a promotion right now where if you buy a Sigma, you get 50 bucks cash back and 2 magazines. The Sigma is a solid pistol.
The other choice you have, the Ruger, is a solid second. If Ruger had the same promotion going on, I'd recommend that one wholeheartedly.
Stay away from Taurus's autos, revolvers, or rifles. They have a tendency to produce solid junk.
As for Bersa, I don't know much about these.
If you can do used, take a look at the S&W 3913, or any of the 3rd Generation Smith and Wesson pistols. They are a little on the hefty side, but the 3913 is a great carry and range gun. The frame is made of an aluminum alloy, and the slide is Stainless Steel.
The other choice you have, the Ruger, is a solid second. If Ruger had the same promotion going on, I'd recommend that one wholeheartedly.
Stay away from Taurus's autos, revolvers, or rifles. They have a tendency to produce solid junk.
As for Bersa, I don't know much about these.
If you can do used, take a look at the S&W 3913, or any of the 3rd Generation Smith and Wesson pistols. They are a little on the hefty side, but the 3913 is a great carry and range gun. The frame is made of an aluminum alloy, and the slide is Stainless Steel.
Taurus pistols are very good bang for the buck right now. I had a 24/7 in .40 that I gave to a friend who was starting into firearms. While I had never had a FTF/FTE other then a few during the break-in. Trigger pull is a bit mushy, but thats true of any spring-gun out there, glocks are even worse about it. I've so far yet to own a single pistol that didn't experience some sort of malfunction during break in. After about 200 rounds or so, it was shooting great. Main reason I gave it to him is the grip heel didn't fit my hand very well, but fit his like a glove. The manual thumb saftey and second-strike capability gave me a very good piece of mind as well.
Reliability wise, mine had been 100% with no issues, and that's essentially the same story I've head from all 24/7 owners that are out there.
But hey, even high end pistols have issues, I've heard of people going through 2-3 FN FNP9's that broke within the first mag with their receivers cracking in half, or of people's Kimber 1911's crapping out and welding themselves shut in the first 100 rounds. Judging by the number of posts about these varied issues, Taurus can claim no lead in the lemon-gun category at this point.
I'd say stay away from the P95, its a solid gun, but its big. If you want to CCW it one day, unless you're a rather large person or have a propensity to wear robes all the time, you're going to have trouble concealing it. The slide is something like 1.4" or more in thickness. That said they are damn tough pistols.
Sigma's are good, from what I hear trigger pull tends to be long, and sometimes rather gritty. Although there are some simple fixes to get the trigger to smooth out.
Also, you might want to look into a CZ or an EAA Tangfolio series pistols, also the AR-24 series. All are great guns, very reliable, and tack-drivers at 25 yards. Best of all they are in the low-mid $400 range.
Reliability wise, mine had been 100% with no issues, and that's essentially the same story I've head from all 24/7 owners that are out there.
But hey, even high end pistols have issues, I've heard of people going through 2-3 FN FNP9's that broke within the first mag with their receivers cracking in half, or of people's Kimber 1911's crapping out and welding themselves shut in the first 100 rounds. Judging by the number of posts about these varied issues, Taurus can claim no lead in the lemon-gun category at this point.
I'd say stay away from the P95, its a solid gun, but its big. If you want to CCW it one day, unless you're a rather large person or have a propensity to wear robes all the time, you're going to have trouble concealing it. The slide is something like 1.4" or more in thickness. That said they are damn tough pistols.
Sigma's are good, from what I hear trigger pull tends to be long, and sometimes rather gritty. Although there are some simple fixes to get the trigger to smooth out.
Also, you might want to look into a CZ or an EAA Tangfolio series pistols, also the AR-24 series. All are great guns, very reliable, and tack-drivers at 25 yards. Best of all they are in the low-mid $400 range.
aerod1
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The Ruger P95 would be my pick.
possum
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the ruger p95 is a great option but with the possibility of needing o carry than that really wouldn't work out as well as some of teh others. i can't believe that i amdoing this bu from your list i would reccomend the sigma. i don't really like them thatmuch but they are reliable, and with workig theh trigger and time, you will get the trigger pull down and you can get very accurt with it.
also i am not a da/sa fan, and i don't require an external safety on my handguns so out of the list i would go with the sigma.
also i am not a da/sa fan, and i don't require an external safety on my handguns so out of the list i would go with the sigma.
Dollar An Hour
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Ruger P95... Not the sexiest, but Ruger offers excellent customer service should you need it, and they are very reliable pistols. American made is nice as well. 
5x5
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S&W M&P 9mm. Buds gun shop has them for $439 delivered. After the rebate, your lookin at $389 and you'll have four hi-caps. I don't see how you can beat that deal. Can't wait till mine get's here! Just remember, you only have until April 30th to purchase if you want the rebate and free mags. -Ian
Kind of Blued
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I'd personally go for a S&W M&P Compact 9mm!
The Taurus
I'm not 100% sold on them, but from the list,the Millenium would be my choice. They fit my hand so they point well and the controls are well placed. I have short thumbs and have some trouble reaching mag drops. Carry is a breeze for my physique.
I'm not 100% sold on them, but from the list,the Millenium would be my choice. They fit my hand so they point well and the controls are well placed. I have short thumbs and have some trouble reaching mag drops. Carry is a breeze for my physique.
rantingredneck
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Ruger, hands down.
putteral
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CDNN has Ruger KP95 DC'S for $279
Rodman579
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Sig 225/P6, great gun for the money. i have aquired 3 in the last week as you can find them for around $300.
It's already been mentioned, but I don't know why the Stoeger Cougar's not on that list. It's only $350, so you could theoretically spend the extra $50 on Gummi Bears. I love my Cougar, and it feels like it's worth about 700 bucks (the original price when it was called Beretta Cougar). I'm seriously looking to buy a new 9mm that I wouldn't be afraid to beat up in carrying it, throwing it in a glove box, etc. Of course all the guns I'm looking at are 100 bucks more than the Cougar. So I think, "It's less expensive, don't worry so much about banging it up." But I love the gun, it's so smooth, looks nice, feels great. It shoots great and feels like a pop gun with that rotating barrel.
wally
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S&W Sigma, although with the rebate offer on the M&P you could get one of these instead and be under your $400 limit after the rebate.
People complain about the Sigma trigger, but once you've mastered it you will be able to shoot anything well!
In either case the extra two free magazines really sweetens the deal -- offer runs thru April.
The Taurus 24/7 would be my second choice from your list. The Millennium would be better for carry but the short sight radius is a definite handicap at the range.
--wally.
People complain about the Sigma trigger, but once you've mastered it you will be able to shoot anything well!
In either case the extra two free magazines really sweetens the deal -- offer runs thru April.
The Taurus 24/7 would be my second choice from your list. The Millennium would be better for carry but the short sight radius is a definite handicap at the range.
--wally.
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The Ruger is a tank and will be great for lots of visits to the range. It is a bit large for a CCW, but not impossible.
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