Insane M1 Carbine 502 Thunder Sabre conversion

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I'd love to see a conversion that was not as insane. Something that I could take into the woods for deer hunting and not worry about the borderline effectiveness of the .30 carbine. Say a .44 mag.? I saw in SGN where someone is now making new production Stainless M1 Carbine receivers and parts. This would be the ideal situation for a good hunting carbine. All stainless, .44 mag. Great for short fields and brush areas and small enough to swing around in a small stand. But then again, doesn't Ruger make a .44 for this purpose? I know, it doens't look as cool as the M1 Carbine. ;)
 
I'd love to see a conversion that was not as insane.
Me too. I'm not a reloader, so I'd love to see something unique like this that I could walk into the gun shop and buy ammo for. 10mm would be perfect in that regard...

Although that .50 Beuwolf (sp?) AR upper they have at the shop here in town sure looks interesting. They're even carrying ammo for it. $25 a box, but at least it's there.
 
10mm Magnum? Sounds interesting.

Something like this would seem to qualify under Cooper's "Thumper" idea.
 
Nifty, but about .3" too long.

.218 Bee appears to be exactly the right length, though case head is larger. Close to .223 power...
 
A relative of mine used to hunt the mighty groundhog with a .218 Bee. He seemed to have good success with it. Never had a wounded one charge him, anyway. Now that you mention it, a cute little autoloader like the M-1 carbine in a cute little cartridge like the .218 Bee does sound amusing.
 
The 5.7 MMJ AKA Johnson Spitfire is a 30 carbine necked down to a .224 bullet and exceeds the 218 bee ballistics. All that's required to convert is a new barrel. Numrich Gun parts sells a conversion barrel, some manufacturers have made it in the past and I believe IAI produces a current factory made model. Ammo is not widely manufactured but I believe NGP also has a supply. Like the bee it would be a reloading proposition.
 
> I saw in SGN where someone is now making new production
> Stainless M1 Carbine receivers and parts.

Does anyone have more info on this?
 
A 10mm M1 Carbine would be a great idea. I would think that the ballistics would be superb, and a full power 10mm JHP out of an 18 inch tube would be a serious general purpose round.

Now if someone could just persuade Fulton Armory to take the project on.
 
I can see 10mm conversions or Tony's .50AE/.502 to have the carbine make a larger hole in the target. What I cannot fathom is why anyone would want to chamber it in 7.62x25?? Other than cheaper ammo cost than .30 Carbine and a theoretical advantage in feed reliability of the bottleneck case over the straighter cartridge body, there is no advantage in power or performance to be had. The 7.62x25 has less case capacity than the .30 Carbine round, and given equal operating pressures it will deliver less velocity for each bullet weight. Case diameters are similar enough that there is no magazine capacity advantage and the aforementioned feeding advantage is lost upon the typically smooth feeding tapered carbine round.

I suppose one could tout commonality of ammunition with the CZ-52 or Tokarev pistol, but the fact that someone can use the same ammo for in their rifle in their obsolescent, ergonomically challenged pistol doesn't appear to be a big selling point. A .30 BlackHawk or AMT AutoMag will take the same ammo as the M1, if that is the case. I love the 7.62x25 round as much as the next guy, and I would gladly a buy well crafted modern pistol made to chamber the round, but here it just doesn't seem worth it to spend the extra money to get a rifle that fires a weaker, yet marginally less expensive round.

If one wants to rechamber the rifle just for esoteric reasons, why not pick a weirder, more fringe calibers. 9mm Mauser Export anyone? 10mm Mag? .224 Boz? 5.7x28? 9x25Dillon? .357 or .44 Automag?

I'm glad some other than the annoyingly self-hyping Tim LeGendre decided to play with opening up the bore on the carbines. It seems like I've seen the articles about LeGendre developing these rifles appear several times in the gun rags, interspersed just enough to keep our interest alive. Apparently LeGendre spent so much time "being the baddest kid on the block" and "sticking it to" the conventional gun designers, that he failed to consider the many short comings of his design modifications. The concept of sectional density is lost upon him, and he tends to exaggerate the specs of his cartridges to make for better copy. Unfortunately there is never word of when these rifles or modification services are going to be ready, nor any way of contacting him. The weapons the evaluators actually get are plagued with feeding/reliabilty/durability problems and are haphazardly tested at best. From what I've seen of Tromix guns, they work as advertised and are actually available to the shooting public.
 
Back in the late 50's, early, 60's, conversion of M1 carbines to .357 Magnum was done more than a few times. Look for a book entitled "Gunsmithing Tips & Projects" from Wolfe Publishing. There is an article therein, "M1 Conversions", where the author discusses converting to .218 Mashburn Bee, .357 Magnum, .41 Magnum, .22-30 Carbine, and .17-30 Carbine. what's old is new again, hey presto!

Personally, I would love an M1 carbine in either .357 mag or 10mm. I have been keeping my eyes open for sometime for one of the Iver Johnson M1 carbines that were made in 9mm Luger (yep, available over the counter, only I was too dumb to buy one). I think a simple rechamber job would have a coolio .38 SUPER M1 to go with my MilSpec Springfield!
 
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