Internal Locks

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mattnoks

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I'm a relative newbie, so far I've got a Sig p226 .40 S&W and I recently bought a S&W 686-6 snub nose.

My question is why everyone dislikes the locking feature on the newer 686s. Other than a slightly ugly key hole on the frame I see no reason why being able to lock my gun is a big deal.

Could someone explain to a gun owner newbie why I would not like this feature and if it has an effect on overall performance of the gun?

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The locks can malfunction, freezing the revolver and rendering it useless, probably at a most inopportune moment.

Also, they are a useless, expensive complication.
 
You'll hear accounts of them locking up guns from everyone but the people who own them. I'd rather not have one on a gun but no problems one thousand some rounds later in my Smith.
 
"Excuse me Mr. BG, please refrain from your assault while I find my key to disengage this gun lock."
 
In short: Locks Bad!!!!! Locks are Democrat spawn. Fear the Lock!!!

No S&W bashing here, this applies to all internal locks whether they have a reputation (earned or otherwise) for spontaneously locking or not.
You can effectively disable the lock by grinding the pin off.
 
I realize this is a sensitive issue. Just my 2 cents, I run a CZ P-01 with a deckocker and one in the hole, decocked, ccw. It is better than a safety gun, because you have one less move to make before you fire. Just grab and go.

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I never actually lock it, as its just me and my wife, so I have no worries about unlocking it in a hurry, but I could think of some scenarios were it might be nice to be able to lock it.

I just don't see why it makes everyone so angry. They make you have seatbelts in a car.

What is the failure rate of these locks? Can anyone point me to a thread where people have experienced a lock malfunctioning?
 
Funny you should mention seatbelts. I've worn my seatbelt every time I've operated a car or truck on a public road. I couldn't imagine not wearing it. Long before they were legally required, I wore mine. One of my earliest memories from several decades ago is of my mother getting out of a very serious speeding ticket because when the officer approached our 1969 Toyota Corona, he saw me belted in the back seat and her belted in the front. This was, to say the least, highly uncommon in that era. But it's always been SOP for me. HOWEVER, had I grown up in earlier decades in a family which didn't trust seat belts, and the government started ordering me to wear one, I'd come up with all sorts of horror stories about seat belts rupturing spleens, seatbelts freezing up in car fires, face plants into steering wheels before shoulder belts, you name it. It would be a NEW RESTRICTION, and I'd rebel. Currently I live in a state where I need not wear a motorcycle helmet. I love it downtown, I now can actually see and hear cars around me. But on the open road I wear a 3/4 helmet. Why? Because I learned to ride in a state which required helmets all the time.

Had S&W put locks on all their double action revolvers from the beginning, and incorporated the locks into the design instead of drilling them in a way and location that makes it look like a demilitarization cut, we'd accept them, even if we worried about malfunctions. But having them PUT THERE under some governmental duress and in a fugly way sets off the alarm bells on everything from aesthetics to safety.
 
Yeah that's why I thought of seatbelts actually, my grandma, would tell me stories of her friend actually cutting the seatbelts out of their car when they were first introduced.

I would just need some actually failure rate statistics before I demonize the locks. As I think we can all agree seatbelts have turned out to be a pretty solid idea.
 
I don't think it is a failure issue with internal locks. I could care less if they are 100% failure free. They just don't serve any real purpose.

I do not believe that they satisfy any State laws regarding locking-up and securing a handgun. Perhaps it may prevent a minor from shooting themselves, but it won't prevent them from getting their mitts on the gun in the first place, nor a thief from stealing it. Severe States laws usually want you to use an external and separate lock on the firearm like a trigger or cable device, or a safe, cabinet, locking box.

So why do you need something that does not satisfy any requirements? Even with the lock engaged, would you give a loaded gun to a minor to play with?
 
People don't so much hate them because they DO fail. It's the fact that it CAN fail. It's the fact that it's THERE in the first place. It's the HOLE in the frame. It's the principle of the matter. And it's the LACK of principles on the manufacturer's part.
If any sane person was in charge at S&W they would have either stopped selling guns in whatever nanny state that required them or if it was a national issue they would have put it in the hammer like Taurus did and put a coupon in the case for a free replacement hammer WITHOUT the lock.

Screw seatbelts too. If you want people to be safe while driving put a machete at their throat. Nobody'll go over 3MPH!
 
You'll hear accounts of them locking up guns from everyone but the people who own them.

Agreed. I have 4 S&W revolvers with locks [.22LR - .500 S&W] and shoot all 4 regularly. More than 1,000 rounds each through 2 of them and never had a lock problem.

Question: Is it illegal to disable the lock? Perhaps by grinding some internal part down a bit?
 
IMHO, internal locks are another method for anti's to gain more control of our guns. If guns contain locks, it would be possible to pass legislation requiring guns to be locked when carried, etc. Keep locks separate from the gun or use a safe. Just my $0.02.
 
You'll hear accounts of them locking up guns from everyone but the people who own them.

Absolutely untrue. Do a search and you will find actual cases, by the owners. I had six, then had IT happen to an acquaintance. I don't need to wait for it to happen to me. Some of us can actually see that the stove is hot. Others need to touch it themselves. :rolleyes:
 
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