Is S&W 952-2 a 1911?

[Aedrick]

Hi. Does anyone know if "Smith and Wesson 952-2" pistol is considered a 1911? If not, why not? Looks like a 1911...

Also, does anyone own one? How good is it? I have a G34, and now considering buying a 952-2 Long slide. Any suggestions or comments?

 

[johnle]

Its not a 1911, it doesnt even look close

 

[Just Jim]

My shooting partner bought a NIB 952 from the custom shop. He got a box of ammo through the gun before he had to send it back. The hammer followed the slide down. Quality in todays market seems to be alot like shooting, some hits and some misses.

jj

 

[Walkalong]

Its not a 1911, it doesnt even look close

Yup.

 

[Canuck-IL]

Take a good look at these pics ...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=89777111

note the thumb safety, the trigger, the stocks, the frame tangs at the beavertail, the front and back strap shapes ... not a 1911.
/Bryan

 

[hankdatank1362]

If not, why not? Looks like a 1911...

First, let me give you a belated welcome to THR.


Second, I promise, that if you decide to stay, that in one year from now, you will look back on this question and laugh.



It does have styling cues from 1911s, as well as CZ... like all S&W metal frame autos.

 

[Jimmie]

For one, Aedrick, 1911s have a frame mounted safety that blocks slide movement. This Smith has a slide mounted safety, like a Beretta 92. Also, compare the triggers. See how the Smith trigger actually swings aft while the 1911 trigger slides aft. [discounting of course the LDA]

 

[tkkr]

Did you mean an m945? http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=89866506

 

[hexidismal]

Did you mean an m945?

I thought maybe that was the case for a minute also, but then one would have to assume that he meant just what he asked since he did say "I have a G34, and now considering buying a 952-2 Long slide.." While the 945 would make more sense to the question, there is no such thing as a long slide 945.

As for the 952 .. I'm not really sure where you'd get the 1911 question from, as it really has no 1911 characteristics.. well, other than the fact that its a gun... hehe

 

[Jimmie]

Here's a video for you, Aedrick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQtT8DEakuc&feature=related

There are worse things you could be doing than watching Lima.

 

[SwampWolf]

Not one part of either pistol can interchange with the other. And no, a 945 is not a 1911 either (if that was at issue).

 

[ccmdfd]

There are worse things you could be doing than watching Lima

So very true!

 

[rcmodel]

The 952-2 is descended from the Model 52 Master, which was descended from the Model 39 double action 9mm pistol first made in the early 1950's.

The Model 39 was the first 9mm first double-action pistol made in the United States.

It was based on designs first used in the Browning Hi-Power, (Barrel locking cam) and the Walther PPK & P-38 pistols (DA trigger & de-cocker safety designs).

Nothing about the Model 39, 52, or the 952-2, have anything in common with the 1911, except they are all pistols using one of many of John Browning's operating principals.


rcmodel

 

[SGW42]

There are worse things you could be doing than watching Lima.

No kidding. For some reason I have this strange desire to get a 1911 now.

 

[Gixerman1000]

Own a 952-2 and a 945, they are the smoothest shooting and most accurate 9mm and 45acp pistols I own, great guns.

 

[highorder]

a 945 is not a 1911 either (if that was at issue).

cosmetics aside, how do you not consider the 945 a 1911?

 

[ktd]

Actually, the thing is the cosmetics, that is the only common thing between the 945 and a 1911. None of the parts interchange, I am not even sure if the magazines interchange. The barrel is a linkless design.

 

[SwampWolf]

Not even the magazines are interchangeable. And, as a proud owner of a 945, I can tell you I wish they were!

 

[highorder]

I was suggesting that is was a 1911, because if the common design of the fire control parts (trigger, sear, and hammer); though I did think it had a link tilt barrel. I learn something new every day.

 

[Jim Watson]

The S&W 945 is not a 1911. It has a cam locking barrel and the hammer, sear, disconnector, etc. etc. are not interchangeable with Colt parts. It is basically a 645 modified to take Wilson 1911 trigger, thumb safety, and grip safety. All else is strictly S&W design and manufacture. Still a very nice gun if you don't mind the different grip shape and angle - yes you can feel 2 degrees - and the total dependence on S&W for parts.

 

[robctwo]

I recently bought the 952-2. I've put a few hundred rounds through it, going on 1,000 I'd estimate. It is a full sizes 5" single stack single action pistol, so it has a lot in common with the 1911. It also has a grip safety. The curved main spring housing is similar to a curved main spring housing on a 1911. Mine is all stainless and weighs 38 oz empty, very much like my 1911s. The trigger on mine seems to be about as good as the Ed Brown or Les Baer that I own.





I took some photos of my Ed Brown 1911 Executive Target sitting next to a Sig 220



Here's a picture of a 1911 Les Baer



Here's a 1911 Springfield Armory Loaded Black Stainless



I was tempted to get a nice 1911 style in 9mm when I bought this 952-2. I had wanted the 952 for a number of years and never thought I'd spend that kind of money on a pistol. Things change.

It is the most accurate 9mm I own. Great gun for the range. Too heavy for me for carry. Works like a dream. I used a bit of slurry to smooth it out when I first got it. A few thousand hand cycles while watching the TV.