Is there a suppressable .45acp carbine/pistol "shell" that could accept at LEAST Glock mags??

[tangara]

Check out Extar EP45, I have the EP9. For under $500 bucks shipping & transfer fees might be something you would like. They take Glock mags.

 

[jmorris]

IDK, there's a good case to be made for suppressors for inside the home defense use given the noise levels involved with shooting guns. The only reason I'm somewhat against the idea of a suppressor for home defense is it adds a lot of length to a gun and in tight corners gives an invader something more to grab and disarm you with.

I can’t say I have ever used one for inside defense but I do shoot from inside, because coyotes are not stupid. Some really hungry ones might ignore someone exiting if they had their eye on a chicken but most would be gone full tilt. So shooting from inside just works better.



That said, I do not shoot unsuppressed inside. With a can and subs I don’t even bother the wife downstairs. My favorite for the job is the same length as any 16” barrel, shorter if you have a thread on flash hider.

 

[FlSwampRat]

I wouldn't use a suppressor (or any NFA item) for home defense. It wouldn't look good to a jury. They might think that you were over-arming and just savoring the possibility of trouble.Stick to weapons "in common use," like an ordinary pistol or shotgun.

I'm way far from being a lawyer, but this makes much sense. It's like having a perfectly legal baseball bat in your car for protection, but it looks a lot less like you were maybe looking for trouble (prosecutor argument) than if there was also a ball and glove in the car.

Viable point.
I'm just interested in the suppressor so I don't blow my ears out inside the house.
Would you say that shouldn't be too much of a concern? If not, then I guess I'll ditch the suppressor. I just thought it'd be a good idea for my ears.

Consider this.... Just how many rounds are you expecting to have to shoot in how many instances of self defense? Weigh that against the cost and trouble of getting a suppressor permit and the suppressor itself. Not to mention the extra expense of a suppressible version of a firearm vs. the non suppressible version.
If you live in a place where you are planning to have to defend you and yours from multiple invasions over time, maybe you should consider moving.

 

[reddog81]

The legal use of suppressor on a gun in your house in defensive manner shouldn’t even be debated. It’s to protect your hearing and nothing else. Any good lawyer would be able to argue this. If you shoot someone, the use of the gun is going to be questioned along with the entirety of the situation, but a suppressor isn’t going to turn a good shot into a bad shot. Anyone who disagrees please provide evidence. Assuming someone owns a suppressor legally, they should be able to use it legally.

 

[FlSwampRat]

The legal use of suppressor on a gun in your house in defensive manner shouldn’t even be debated. It’s to protect your hearing and nothing else. Any good lawyer would be able to argue this. If you shoot someone, the use of the gun is going to be questioned along with the entirety of the situation, but a suppressor isn’t going to turn a good shot into a bad shot. Anyone who disagrees please provide evidence. Assuming someone owns a suppressor legally, they should be able to use it legally.

The operative word in your post is "should". People who are non gun people will look at two good self defense shootings where one was done with Granddaddy's old deer rifle and the other done with an evil assault rifle differently. It's from this group of people that the jury is going to be drawn. A prosecutor is an elected official and looks to their political future somewhat in deciding which case to bring to trial. They're elected by people in that same group of folks who know little about guns, or maybe even are actively against guns, depending on where the whole thing happened.
Spats McGee has a great thread on using handloads in self defense, something that is perfectly legal but there are aspects that go into using such in a defensive situation.

https://thehighroad.org/index.php?t...f-handloads-in-self-defense-shootings.821474/

It comes down to how the locals will look at the shooting involving a suppressor and the optics of it to the locals. Police, District Attorney, States Attorney and on down the line.

 

[reddog81]

The operative word in your post is "should". People who are non gun people will look at two good self defense shootings where one was done with Granddaddy's old deer rifle and the other done with an evil assault rifle differently. It's from where this group of people that the jury is going to be drawn. A prosecutor is an elected official and looks to their political future somewhat in deciding which case to bring to trial. They're elected by people in that same group of folks who know little about guns, or maybe even are actively against guns, depending on where the whole thing happened.
Spats McGee has a great thread on using handloads in self defense, something that is perfectly legal but there are aspects that go into using such in a defensive situation.

https://thehighroad.org/index.php?t...f-handloads-in-self-defense-shootings.821474/

It comes down to how the locals will look at the shooting involving a suppressor and the optics of it to the locals. Police, District Attorney, States Attorney and on down the line.

I guess I should go buy some 10 round magazines for my Glock since those 17 round magazines are high capacity death machines. I should probably sell my AR-15's because some jury might find out I own evil assault rifles. Probably shouldn't use hollow point ammo because it's more deadly. You could come up with dozens of silly things that are perfectly legal that a person "shouldn't" do. A suppressor doesn't do anything except make the gun quieter. In your home, in a self defense situation the use of a suppressor isn't going to change anything. It should be viewed as polite since you're providing the same benefit to the perpetrator...

 

[FlSwampRat]

I guess I should go buy some 10 round magazines for my Glock since those 17 round magazines are high capacity death machines. I should probably sell my AR-15's because some jury might find out I own evil assault rifles. Probably shouldn't use hollow point ammo because it's more deadly. You could come up with dozens of silly things that are perfectly legal that a person "shouldn't" do. A suppressor doesn't do anything except make the gun quieter. In your home, in a self defense situation the use of a suppressor isn't going to change anything. It should be viewed as polite since you're providing the same benefit to the perpetrator...

These are the people who think a barrel shroud, a thing that they can't define, a pistol grip and a bayonet lug make a rifle deadlier. These are the people in jury pools.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Best of luck.

 

[CoalTrain49]

These are the people who think a barrel shroud, a thing that they can't define, a pistol grip and a bayonet lug make a rifle deadlier. These are the people in jury pools.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Best of luck.

Yep, it's the unwashed masses. I was just called up for jury duty.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

AR45 comes to mind. Essentially an AR15 lower with a magazine conversion block to make it take Glock mags. A 45acp barrel would likely be threaded so a suppressor would be easy.

I enjoy the hell out of mine.

It's a dedicated 45 lower and Macon armory direct impingement upper

 

[redbullitt]

The micro roni can work, but it's not a drop in deal. The most difficult part is finding a proper barrel. You'll need about 6.5 inches of barrel BEFORE the muzzle threads start. Most companies offer no such animal... kkm lone wolf, storm lake etc all said no go. Igb is the only company I found that would to it. Barsto never got back to me, so maybe there?

After that is sorted out, it's just making the chassis clear the long barrel.

All this is very easy to do with other calibers since barrel selection is better.

Use your suppressor in the house if you're fortunate enough to have one. Why have it if you don't use it when it counts? The benefits are huge with subsonic or super sonic ammunition, and I'll take all I can there if lives are on the line.

Macon armory ( iirc) is the go to company for pistol caliber ars. They do a 45 version you may be interested in! Their barrels will actually feed aggressive hollowpoints, and they will fix your crappy chamber from other makers if your barrel doesnt. Good people. They fixed 2 of my 9mm ars perfectly and saved them from being paperweights.

If you're not married to the 45, the ruger pc carbine suppresses very well in 40 and 9mm caliber and takes glock or ruger mags. Proper ammo makes either caliber plenty viable! Mine shoots well and runs like a top. Begging for sbr stamp... lol.

 

[BullHeadedGideon]

Only thing I can think of would be the aforementioned STI (or SV) with multiple grips.

The single stack grip has inserts and a different mag catch, that would get you the 1911 mag part, then you would need to modify the double stack one to take Glock mags, then you could use it on a mech tech upper and thread it for a can.

Of course it would be cheaper to just buy two different carbines but it could be done.

Only reason I have that one was for a class that only allowed single stack pistols, why I wondered about your interest.

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FWIW the IMI Kidon kit doesn’t allow you to use all sorts of magazines with the same firearm. It’s a “shell” that, with adapters, you can put all sorts of pistols in, effectively making them SBR’s. If you had one here, every different pistol you stuck in one would need a stamp and still wouldn’t allow you to use a single stack 1911 magazine in a Glock frame or a Glock mag in a 1911 frame.

Most of the other responses are reading your OP as Glock OR 1911 mags or just 45 ACP carbine, not carbine that can use both Glock AND 1911 mags.

You just might be able to do it with a Marlin camp 45 though. They used 1911 mags from the factory and some of the camp 9’s have been converted to use Glock mags. Even if you could pull it off, it would be a lot of work, certainly not “off the shelf” and you would have to change the trigger housing to swap between the two.

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Yea, I know the Kidon requires different kinds of firearms. I'm totally cool with that because I'd like the abilityto use any handgun I own in this seemingly imaginary pistol-shell I'm trying to find LOL.
I didn't know the Kidon would "turn everything into an SBR" tho! Why is that??? I'm 100% NOT trying to go the SBR route.

 

[BullHeadedGideon]

https://www.zfi-inc.com/product/fab...g2p-pdw-conversion-kit-with-pathfinder-stock/

that is a kpos g2p. mine is for glock 17/19 they have one for the 45 glocks and other pistols.
it is a frame you put your glock into.
if your glock has a threaded barrel there is room for a suppressor

Awh man, that's awesome. The only one so far that I've seen that be suppressed.
But does it only work for Glocks?
I understand it may not exist; but if LOVE to find something that I'd be able to use a 1911 AND Glock in. (Like a similar idea how the Kidon can accept different pistols with corresponding adapter plates.)

 

[BullHeadedGideon]

I just want to say I genuinely thank all of you for your responses. I really do appreciate the time someone takes to think about/analyze my question, post pictures, debate, etc.
Genuinely appreciated. If I could take you all to a bar & buy you a beer, I would = D

& someone (can't remember who, & don't feel like searching) said it seems like many of the responses were aimed SOLELY at a "pistol-shell" that I'd be able to use a Glock OR a 1911 with, rather than BOTH.

I'd just like to reiterate: I'm looking for a pistol-shell that I could use BOTH Glock and 1911 in (like how you can use different handguns in the IMI Kidon, with corresponding adapters); that could ALSO be suppressed. WithOUT going the SBR route.

If I cannot find that, then I guess I'll have to go the AR45 route. IF I have to go that route, is there ANYTHING, or ANY WAY, (mag adapters, maybe?) that I'd be able to swap between Glock mags & 1911 mags.

Again, thank you all very much for your responses. I really do appreciate the time & effort that gets put in to respond to my mythical search = D

 

[MikeInOr]

Viable point.
I'm just interested in the suppressor so I don't blow my ears out inside the house.
Would you say that shouldn't be too much of a concern? If not, then I guess I'll ditch the suppressor. I just thought it'd be a good idea for my ears.

Damn the jury, protect your home, your loved ones, yourself and your ears! As long as it is a legal suppressor and the carbine is reliable with the suppressor I think it is a great idea for home defense!

If there is an intruder in your home and you feel endangered any lawer will have no problem defending your right to use a legal supressor. It is either self defense or it isn't! If there is an intruder in your home there isn't much of a chance it will even make it to a jury.

It is like saying don't use a .44 to defend your life because a .22 is more jury friendly... makes no sense.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I didn't know the Kidon would "turn everything into an SBR" tho! Why is that???

Adding a stock to a pistol, or a forward grip makes it an SBR in the eyes of the BATFE. There's a lot of weird little rules that could lead to breaking the laws if you don't do your homework.

Rifles need to have a 16" minimum barrel length. That's why AR pistols with barrels shorter than that and an arm brace are so popular. The brace isn't a stock, because they aren't intended to be shouldered, so you can get a way with a short barrel. I believe many of these "shells" that add a stock do in fact create SBRs. But there are folks a lot more well versed on the subject than I.

 

[jmorris]

I didn't know the Kidon would "turn everything into an SBR" tho! Why is that??? I'm 100% NOT trying to go the SBR route.

It’s the barrel length. The stock makes it a “rifle”, if the barrel is under 16” it’s a short barrel rifle.

If you put a 16” barrel on it you would be OK without a stamp.



but there goes your compact shoulder fired firearm.

 

[Theohazard]

Adding a stock to a pistol, or a forward grip makes it an SBR in the eyes of the BATFE.

Half right. Adding a forward vertical grip to a pistol makes it an AOW, not an SBR.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Half right. Adding a forward vertical grip to a pistol makes it an AOW, not an SBR.

Ah, thank you for that correction.