is this a belgian mauser?
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Cosmoline
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It's FN made, but for whom? It looks like something was scrubbed off the barrel.
KodiakBeer
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It's likely an FN Model 1922 made for Brazil. The reason I say that is because of the straight grip stock which was replaced with a semi-pistol grip in the Model 1924. The 1922 was produced for Brazil in 7mm and that is the only known contract for that variant.
That guess only works if the stock is original, but cut down. If the stock has been replaced it could be an FN produced for number of different South American countries in 7mm.
That guess only works if the stock is original, but cut down. If the stock has been replaced it could be an FN produced for number of different South American countries in 7mm.
Jonny V
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With that rear sight and the stepped barrel, it's almost surely a military rifle. As for what type (model) of Mauser it is, you need to post up photos of the bolt. 98's have three lugs, two up front, and one in the rear. Earlier models have only two lugs. That will help narrow things down.
Also, you can remove the action from the stock and find the markings underneath the wood. To remove all doubt about what it is, you would need to have all the proofmarks and serial numbers to give someone. Lots of stuff under that stock.........
Also, you can remove the action from the stock and find the markings underneath the wood. To remove all doubt about what it is, you would need to have all the proofmarks and serial numbers to give someone. Lots of stuff under that stock.........
El Mariachi
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I like bigger pictures.......
Jonny V
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How'd you do that?
El Mariachi
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Do you have Mozilla Firefox? And a Photobucket account? If so, I'll be back in an hour and teach you a real cool trick (gotta go walk the dog).....
Uncle Grinch
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It's definately not a 1922 Mauser (Brazilian) as it is a small ring action. You can tell by the bolt shroud. Most likely it's either a 93 Mauser built by FN for another country.
Is the nose of the bolt flat on the bottom? If so, it's a 93 Mauser.
Is the nose of the bolt flat on the bottom? If so, it's a 93 Mauser.
KodiakBeer
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It's a Model 98, which is evident by the large receiver ring. FN only produced 98's and the only straight grip they produced was the Model 1922.
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Uncle Grinch
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1922 or 1893??
According to Mauser Military Rifles of the World by Robert W. D. Ball, the Mauser is a small ring Spanish Mauser, Model 1893 made by FN. Take a look at page 297 and 298, which shows the bolt shroud and the crest as depicted in the original post. The give-away is the shroud, 98's have the gas deflection collar and the top is shaped different.
Compare these pics...
According to Mauser Military Rifles of the World by Robert W. D. Ball, the Mauser is a small ring Spanish Mauser, Model 1893 made by FN. Take a look at page 297 and 298, which shows the bolt shroud and the crest as depicted in the original post. The give-away is the shroud, 98's have the gas deflection collar and the top is shaped different.
Compare these pics...
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KodiakBeer
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It looks like a large ring to me, but that may be deceptive because the top piece is missing.
Jonny V
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Let's just say that you won't be paying off the mortgage with this rifle.....Maybe a healthy bar tab, but that's about it. Couple hundred bucks if the metalwork's in good shape.
Jonny V
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With the good close up of the receiver, we can finally see that it is for sure a small ring Mauser (not a 98). You can pull the bolt and you'll find two lugs, and no third lug on the rear of the bolt. Some of these have been converted to other calibers, but it's not really worth it. Leave it as is, shoot 7mm Mauser out of it once in a while, and forget about trying to make money on it.
Many Mauser rifles are worth tons of money, but those rifles are generally civilian sporters done up by Rigby, Gibbs, or one of many very fine German gunsmiths. Check out the current issue of Rifle magazine, it's all about the Mauser brand. There is also a thread right now on this forum where a guy has posted up photos of an early Mauser sporter that might be worth some money. There are some military rifles that are worth money, but those are usually Oberndorf (German made) Mausers, and not contract pieces.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but the rifle is worth keeping for it's own sake, not because of any value motive. It's a good rifle. It's a piece of history.
Many Mauser rifles are worth tons of money, but those rifles are generally civilian sporters done up by Rigby, Gibbs, or one of many very fine German gunsmiths. Check out the current issue of Rifle magazine, it's all about the Mauser brand. There is also a thread right now on this forum where a guy has posted up photos of an early Mauser sporter that might be worth some money. There are some military rifles that are worth money, but those are usually Oberndorf (German made) Mausers, and not contract pieces.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but the rifle is worth keeping for it's own sake, not because of any value motive. It's a good rifle. It's a piece of history.
jimmyraythomason
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At the left rear of the receiver is a rectangular box. This is the ejector/bolt stop. It swings out from the front. Swing it out and hold it as you extract the bolt.
rbernie
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The gas shroud/cocking piece identifies it as a small ring. A measurement of the distance between the front and rear action screws would tell the tale without question, but the cocking piece and lack of a gas port in the left receiver wall behind the barrel ring is pretty telling as well.
Jonny V
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Once you learn how to strip and clean your new rifle, you'll be well on your way to being a Mauser fanatic. There are more variations of Peter Paul Mauser's masterpiece than there are verses in the Bible. You can never hope to know or see them all. Keep this rifle cleaned and in good condition, and years from now, it'll be as important to you as your first girlfriend.....
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