Jeb Bush talks gun control on Late Show

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Jeb Bush says that "people aren't getting access to mental health and we don't even know it they have real issues" and that mental health checks to purchase and own firearms should be done on a "state by state basis."

Then when asked by Stephan Colbert that "[since] the second amendment is a national right, should the way that right be applied also be national?"

Jeb Bush's response, "No."

Full clip here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=168&v=g9Iuk9BYJKA
 
Love him or hate him, Colbert truly does understand both sides of this issue, in particular. He's been adroitly lampooning both sides for over a decade that I'm aware of, and that's not easy for an ignoramus.

His question, and it's follow up, are actually very good and very important (which is surely why they were omitted in the broadcast, from what I understand). Jeb's citing the 10th amendment is nonsense; it delegates to the states those powers not reserved for the federal branches --nothing else (including those powers neither delegated to the states nor the federal branches --the 9th amendment. Talk about impossible, idealistic nonsense in the face of 'realpolitik' by esteemed, experienced, educated, lawyer-statesmen, right? ;)). The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; not 'by congress,' not by anybody. Period. States may be able to pass laws concerning speech and religion, but not congress, by the 1st Amendment (because at that some, many/most already did). But not firearms; never firearms.

Between his fundamental ignorance of basic civics questions like this, and his extremely hesitant support of gun rights outside political expediency, his fundamental ignorance of the machines themselves (seriously; who with as much money as he does doesn't own a single firearm at this point in their life, and isn't also morally opposed to them?), and his entire immediate family's staunch opposition to civilian gun ownership (except when giving lip-service for political expediency; the Bush family has done more to harm national gun rights than any other person or group in modern memory, now that Bubba's assault weapons ban has expired. Reagan bringing up the rear by half a nose) who in their right mind could possibly have any doubt? The only other guy without a gun is a New Jerseyan in charge of upholding their oppressive laws, for crying out loud!

Sure fire ticket to new gun restrictions in the wake of some tragedy, that Jeb Bush. He would see us utterly disarmed and defenseless in some arbitrary geographic designation, so long as 51% of our peers desired it. He would see us imprisoned for daring to venture into the same from a place of actual freedom.

We'll see if he even realizes what he let slip, and walks it back in a day or so...

TCB
 
^ Totally agree, he stepped in it and stepped in it big. Jeb Bush is a snake if I ever saw one.

I expect to see some PR photos of him at a gun range shooting clays by Monday.
 
He's about as pro-gun as his older brother. Remember the W was willing to sign an extension of the AWB back when it sunset.
 
Can someone tell me how a "mental health check" would not be a HIPAA violation?
 
I'm not sure why you think it would be a violation but I'll guess where your concern is.


Permitted Uses and Disclosures.
A covered entity is permitted, but not required, to use and disclose protected health information, without an individual’s authorization, for the following purposes or situations: (1) To the Individual (unless required for access or accounting of disclosures); (2) Treatment, Payment, and Health Care Operations; (3) Opportunity to Agree or Object; (4) Incident to an otherwise permitted use and disclosure; (5) Public Interest and Benefit Activities; and (6) Limited Data Set for the purposes of research, public health or health care operations.18 Covered entities may rely on professional ethics and best judgments in deciding which of these permissive uses and disclosures to make.
 
A mandatory mental health check prior to the purchase of a firearm would be an infringement on a person's 2A rights. That's the true violation, not some Patient Privacy baloney.

I understand the desire to not want guns to fall into an unstable person's hands, but at what point do all the rules and laws put in place become destructive to the law abiding gun owners desire to exercise their right to bare arms? What Jeb Bush said is he wants to see everyone get a mental health screening in order to be qualified to buy a gun.

Jeb Bush will not defend your 2A rights. He's another big government hack, just like the rest of his gene pool.
 
He's about as pro-gun as his older brother. Remember the W was willing to sign an extension of the AWB back when it sunset.

With Tom "the Hammer" Delay running the House,Bush knew that AWB renewal was never gonna happen. For political porpoises only. Get real, Nebraska! :D

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming. :rolleyes:
 
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Jeb Bush will not defend your 2A rights. He's another big government hack, just like the rest of his gene pool.

Who will of the 17 GOP Cluster running for Prez?

I believe Cruz,Walker,Fiorina,Rubio,Jindal,Paul and Santorum out of this contorted malaise, can be trusted to abide by the true meaning of the 2nd. Or nearly so.

Mama always told me to trust nobody, specially politicians. She lived to be 95 and she was very wise.
 
barnbwt: Although I've not seen that segment with Jeb Bush, your knowledge which connects the various legal/political issues is "black hole info leakage"(i.e. Stephen Hawking) ahead of what some of us readily comprehend.

But if it ever were to come down to "Billary" vs. Bush (I would never underestimate anybody-such complacency/indifference to voting), it would be very difficult to be able to ever trust any of those Clintons on any Second Amendment issue, if that were the final 'hinge point' for voting for choosing between candidates..
 
Who will of the 17 GOP Cluster running for Prez?

I believe Cruz,Walker,Fiorina,Rubio,Jindal,Paul and Santorum out of this contorted malaise, can be trusted to abide by the true meaning of the 2nd. Or nearly so.

Mama always told me to trust nobody, specially politicians. She lived to be 95 and she was very wise.
Out of those names you rattled off, I would trust Paul, Cruz, and Santorum. Don't know much about Walker, but I do prefer him to Bush.
 
That's why the mid-term elections are so important. The real power for legislation is congress. Without them, nothing even gets off the ground for the president to even do anything about, except cry about how 'we can't even pass common sense laws blah blah...)

Don't forget the mid-terms...
 
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He's about as pro-gun as his older brother. Remember the W was willing to sign an extension of the AWB back when it sunset.

With Tom "the Hammer" Delay running the House,Bush knew that AWB renewal was never gonna happen. For political porpoises only. Get real, Nebraska!

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I guess that would make Bush a liar? I doubt it. I watched his speech, in my opinion he meant it. Like Daddy like son....haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7M3rLWLoVY#t=11
 
The last thing we need is another Bush in the white house. The first Bush banned semi-auto milsurps from import and quit the NRA in a huff. The second Bush did a net nothing for US Second Amendment supporters.
 
I used to ask this of the Giuliani supporters, and I ask it of the Bush supporters:

"If the 2nd Amendment means something different in New York than it does in New Mexico, does the 13th mean something different in North Carolina than it does in North Dakota?"
 
A mandatory mental health check prior to the purchase of a firearm would be an infringement on a person's 2A rights. That's the true violation, not some Patient Privacy baloney.

wow....congrats on posting the most ignorant thing ive read all day.
 
wow....congrats on posting the most ignorant thing ive read all day.

I wouldn't agree. Medical exams are required for some gov licensing (truck driver would be an example). You can either produce the card (or whatever they give you) showing you meet the requirements or you don't get the license. Patient privacy is not violated, correct?

I believe the requirement to get an exam of any type would be an infringement of Amendment 2 rights. The bill of rights states 'shall not be infringed.' No mention of 'upon mental health exam' or 'upon state licensing' or whatever qualifier someone may want to add.
 
The mental health issue is definitely a slippery slope when we start mandating evaluation to exercise specific enumerated rights.
 
X-Rap, I very much agree. It will probably sound far fetched, but I would not be shocked if some day being doubtful of man made global warming is classified as a mental illness. Or pick whatever PC whipping stick out there. Hold bigoted beliefs = mentally ill. Believe a man was killed to pay for the sins of the world, then resurrected = must be mentally ill. Maybe I'm just a little too pessimistic, but I see us headed in that direction.
 
There hasn't been a single politician in my memory that doesn't talk out both sides of their mouth and with a snaked tongue. I do my best to vote for the one that talks more out of the mouth I like. All we can do.
 
Look into the George Herbert Walker daughter Dorothy Walker and Prescott Bush descendants. They are distantly related to Scott Walker, therefore Walker is "JUST ANOTHER IN THE CLAN"................................
 
If Jeb gets the nomination, the Rs will lose the election, no matter who the Ds nominate.
What we currently have is a case of those running the Republican party willing to lose an election rather than risk losing their control of the Republican party.

Should Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Donald Trump, etc. win the nomination and / or the election, the powers that be in the Republican party are afraid their power will greatly be diminished, and they're gonna fight like heck to see that doesn't happen.

Even if it means giving the election to the Dems...
 
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