Quantcast

John Ross not delivering paid for JR500

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by mtshooter69, Jun 18, 2019.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Sistema1927

    Sistema1927 Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2004
    Messages:
    6,275
    Location:
    "Land of (dis)Enchantment"
    SECDEF position is once again open. Maybe he is busy applying for it?
     
    shoobe01 and .455_Hunter like this.
  2. GRIZ22

    GRIZ22 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2006
    Messages:
    5,595
    You need to read the mail fraud statute, 18USC1341.

    There are two elements to the crime. The first is proving, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the person "devised or intended to devise a scheme to defraud". That's not easy.

    The second, use of the mail is easier but still must be proven.

    I understand your frustration but how much did you lose? $500, $1000, $2000? You have to understand the Postal Inspectors get thousands of reports a day such as yours. There are only about 2000 Postal Inspectors and their numbers have been declining over the past 20 years. They have to use their resources to after the guys who defrauded hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.

    The FBI with Internet crimes is in the same boat. There are only so many FBI Agents working Internet Fraud.
     
  3. mtshooter69

    mtshooter69 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    70
    Mt and Mo are too far apart to drive. A lot to consider. I dont want to have to involve law enforcement or courts but all options are on the table.
    If he wants to dispute any of this i will post the emails and anything else i have.
    Major part is first 2 days before he received payment he answered my call and email then pulled a disappearing act for over a month. But he was making all kinds of long/detailed posts on facebook during the last month +.
     
  4. joseywales76

    joseywales76 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2008
    Messages:
    65
    Definitely unintended consequences......
     
    sparkyv, FTG-05, <*(((>< and 2 others like this.
  5. jar

    jar Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2003
    Messages:
    1,009
    Location:
    Texas!!!!!
    Contact your bank and dispute the transaction. Supply them with details and if possible copies of emails from JR.
     
    fordtrucks and shoobe01 like this.
  6. George P

    George P Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2018
    Messages:
    2,774
    Call the DA in his hometown as well.
     
    shootstraight57 and joseywales76 like this.
  7. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    25,128
  8. Havok7416
    • Contributing Member

    Havok7416 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2012
    Messages:
    2,719
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Could be that something happened to the guy too. People have heart attacks and get hit by buses every day.
     
  9. Boattale

    Boattale Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Messages:
    118
    Location:
    SWMO
    Last guy I knew who got hit by a bus stopped posting on facebook.
     
  10. 460Shooter

    460Shooter Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Messages:
    9,525
    Location:
    The Land that Time Forgot
    Sure but now with smart phones, Face Booking might be all he can do in the recovery room.

    Seriously though, this is a very disturbing situation and I hope there is some resolution soon.

    Just looked at his profile. I remember that dude, just because of his avatar pic. He hasn't posted since December. It's entirely possible that there is a health issue or family loss at play here.
     
    ATLDave likes this.
  11. Tinman357

    Tinman357 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    271
    Location:
    Puget Sound
    This is why I research as much as possible. He has a history of doing this. I want a JR500, but I'll never buy one.

    That being said, I'm having a very similar issue with a different vendor. Very well known, very big name in the business. I'll be trying some of the advise I've read here.
     
  12. pert near

    pert near Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2015
    Messages:
    305
    Location:
    Heart of Texas
    If you know of others in your same situation, group hire a PI to ask him FTF what's going on. That's more unsettling than getting a letter from a lawyer.
     
  13. Jack B.

    Jack B. Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2017
    Messages:
    1,441
    Location:
    Cocoa
    I don't buy guns online for this reason. When it comes to guns and some other items, if I can't get my hands on it I don't buy it. I know I miss out on some deals but that's the way it is. Sorry about your bad luck.:thumbdown:
     
    ontarget likes this.
  14. George P

    George P Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2018
    Messages:
    2,774
    IF that is true, then why did he accept, and CASH, the OP's check quickly?
     
  15. 460Shooter

    460Shooter Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Messages:
    9,525
    Location:
    The Land that Time Forgot
    It’s possible he accepted and cashed the check with the intention to ship, and something sudden happened.

    Not sure about the last time you lost a family member, but the last time I did I lost all sense of time or importance of my work. I spent three weeks waiting in a hospital, and during that tome I only had a vague notion of caring if someone wanted something from me. And yet Facebook was a means to at least somewhat keep track of the world. The following month involved planning a funeral and to this day I don’t know exactly what all occurred in that time.

    Continuing to have an active FB account is a little weird, but maybe someone is running it for him.

    I’m not trying to defend the guy, I’m just saying we don’t know. Any way you shake it, if he accepted money he has a clear responsibility to fulfill the order, refund the money, or communicate the delay. The OP and others in this situation need to keep after him. Small claims court or some other legal action? Yeah maybe. The guy may be a total crook.
     
    Havok7416 likes this.
  16. GRIZ22

    GRIZ22 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2006
    Messages:
    5,595
    Not really. Mail fraud is mail fraud whether you use cash, check, or money order. If you use the mail to send information for an electronic transfer it's still mail fraud.
     
  17. Ratshooter

    Ratshooter Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2007
    Messages:
    3,246
    Location:
    Burleson,Texas
    Thats one of the bad things about being paid in full up front. You lose the desire to do the job since you have already been paid. I used to do house repair and remodeling and would never take full payment up front. If I had a lot in materials like a house worth of shingles I would let the homeowner pay me for the shingles once they were sitting in their yard. But that was all and I didn't do that very often.

    I was friends with a famous knife maker named Jack Crain. He made the knives for the movie Predator and the Tomahawks for the TV series War Of The Worlds. In the end he was pretty much hated because he took so many deposits on custom knives, more than he could make in a reasonable amount of time and ended up never sending out the knives or returning deposits. He was a cool guy and Arnold Swartzenagger gave him that flak jacket he used in Predator movie and I got to try it on but he just got in over his head. Another friend preached his funeral.
     
    Mn Fats likes this.
  18. George P

    George P Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2018
    Messages:
    2,774
    To me, that's the kicker - if he has time to do FB updates, then he - or someone else - sure had time to return the OP's emails of phone calls. I understand completely about family issues- dealing with one now from 2 states away and traveling back and forth - it isn't easy. That said I mod on another forum and I was able to leave them a backdoor message saying I would be out of touch for a bit - took about 10 seconds.
     
    Mullo98 and MaxP like this.
  19. mtshooter69

    mtshooter69 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    70
    On a lighter side anyone have the 3.5 inch PC model of the 500. I have it and like it, used to have the 4 inch model but got rid of it after getting the 3.5.
     
  20. 460Shooter

    460Shooter Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Messages:
    9,525
    Location:
    The Land that Time Forgot
    Agree
     
    MaxP likes this.
  21. mtshooter69

    mtshooter69 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    70
    If they made this in the 500 I wouldn't be in this situation. No ugly barrel nut, all one color.
    170292_01_lg_1.jpg
     
    NIGHTLORD40K likes this.
  22. Haywood

    Haywood Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2006
    Messages:
    751
    Location:
    N. Ohio
    I had a problem with a local Reloading Co. I called the Police in their City and they went and paid them a visit. I got my money back.
     
    fordtrucks and George P like this.
  23. mtshooter69

    mtshooter69 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    70
    I will be taking action like those suggested. Will post results here if and when they happen unless something legally prevents it.
    Thanks for all the suggestions.
    Still hoping someone on one of these forums personally knows him and can get him to do the only right thing.
     
  24. mtshooter69

    mtshooter69 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2019
    Messages:
    70
    I was trying to reach more individuals to help resolve this and Cast Boolits has deleted my thread. So I tried to post a new one with these questions but that was denied also. I of course started with the basis for this thread stating just the facts with no name calling or profanity.
    No. 1 What proof do you want. Do you want me to post the only email he answered? All the other emails that I sent him that he did not answer? The PM to him on the Highroad that he did not answer? Text messages to him that he did not answer? Copies of the front/back of the check he cashed with his signature on it? His address in St. louis 63117 that I sent the check to?
    Fishy not. Why would I not tell the truth here?? All I want is the gun that I paid for.
    Let me know what proof you want and stop closing the thread.
    I am not name calling, using profanity or any other bad thing. Just stating the facts. Trying to persuade him into doing the right thing and sending gun to ffl as he has payment for over a month and ffl credentials.

    No_1
    user-offline.png Cast Boolits Owner NRA-Life2.jpg
    teamboolitsb.jpg
    mod1.png
    admin1.png
    7k.gif avatar33573_1.jpg
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    N.E. Florida
    Posts
    7,499

    John Ross not delivering paid for JR500
    Everyone please take this for what it is worth - this member joined today and with no proof has indicated a well respected member of the firearm community has ripped him off. Looks pretty fishy to me.....
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2019
  25. hemiram

    hemiram Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    1,256
    Location:
    Toledo, Ohio
    I know your frustration. Not with regard to guns, but I was into HiFi for a long time and a couple of times I sent a MO and never got the merchandise. Last attempted con was I bought what appeared from the pics to be a really nice condition amplifier from a guy who had good feedback, so I assumed it would be as pictured. I paid him $700 in USPS MO's and he sent the wreck of an amp, NOT the one pictured, not even exactly the same model. He packed it terribly and it was destroyed by UPS (NOT their fault!), but it was already seriously damaged before he shipped it. He ignored me for a while, but I have a friend who lives in his town and he paid him a visit and explained the Postal Inspectors were about to be called and it would be smart if he gave me a refund. Turned out, it was the son of the guy using his dad's identity. Once I got hold of the real guy, I got my money back and an extra $100 to ship the junk back to his son. The amp he sold me had been damaged in a wreck while moving it several years ago, and it was sitting in his garage and the son decided to rip someone off. I found another one that had just been serviced with new $$$ capacitors and it is flawless, both in sound and looks. It's 20+ years old and looks like it just came out of the box. Oh, it was a little cheaper, too! And unlike a lot of old heavy equipment I've bought the last few years, it was packed by an expert and probably could have been tossed out of a plane and landed without a scratch.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice