Commo
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Interesting take -- what do you think the motivation is if this is all a ruse?This is nothing but a ruse to imply credibility to the report that doesn't exist.
Commo
Interesting take -- what do you think the motivation is if this is all a ruse?This is nothing but a ruse to imply credibility to the report that doesn't exist.
Interesting take -- what do you think the motivation is if this is all a ruse?
Commo
But in this case, the author behind Viper Weapons Training is attempting to imply more credibility to his experiments and concluded opinions by suggesting that Federal agencies commissioned the opinions.
"The average human male is 10" thick. Most human tissue is elastic. Organs, skin, muscle, intestines and blood vessels are capable of substantial stretching with minimal damage. Medical and military studies have shown that the outward velocity of tissue caused by the temporary stretch cavity is between 8-15% of the velocity of the projectile at the depth the stretch is created. Furthermore in these studies it was shown that human muscular tissue (other than brain or liver tissue) can stretch much faster than that velocity. Also, the distance created by the stretch cavity does not exceed the capability of the muscular tissue to stretch without tearing. At greater than around 2,000 fps it was tested, seen and measured that our test tissue did show signs of over-stretching and damage. This was noted on the rounds that were extremely high speed at impact (>2,000 fps). It was difficult to measure but is a contributing factor to overall wounding."
All of those conclusions without citing a single source. This report reads less authoritatively than a lot of anonymous forum posts.
Have you looked at the Cutting Edge .40/10mm 190 gr copper monolithic bullet? It has a lot of potential for deep, straight penetration, but given the cost, I don't know that I can warrant buying them over hard cast.I am really hoping the resurgence of the 10mm Auto will lead to better bullet selection. The 10mm does as well as can be expected of it considering it is hampered by bullets designed for the .40 S&W, which tend to fragment or over-expand and curl back over their shanks. If we could get manufactures to offer full power 10mm Auto with bullets designed for the 10mm Auto, it could be so much more impressive.
Lots of good data here. I am bullet geek and eat this stuff up. Thanks for sharing.
I agree. Better citation of participants and credentials is needed.The first paragraph of the Forward on page 3 of the test does more than imply agency involvement -- it says "The 2016/17 Joint Agency Ballistic Test for Defensive Handgun Ammunition was conducted by several Federal, State and Local government agencies as well as security teams, contactors and ballistic experts." (my emphasis)
The anonymous aspect of this release of the test is troubling in that it makes the motives of the author(s) suspect, as we're seeing here...let's hope someone in the know sees this and can clarify..
Commo
The first paragraph of the Forward on page 3 of the test does more than imply agency involvement -- it says "The 2016/17 Joint Agency Ballistic Test for Defensive Handgun Ammunition was conducted by several Federal, State and Local government agencies as well as security teams, contactors and ballistic experts." (my emphasis)
Commo
My only question is, Does the fluted rounds plug up like HP's and fail to do as they are intended when hitting clothing of all types. Only time and use will tell I think.
Ok, this video speaks for itself. This is the Phase 4 testing done, apparently for the "DOD" whose emblem is used on the intro slides.
If memory serves me the defenders did pretty well on Paul Harrell's meat targets, for whatever that's worth. I haven't experimented with them at all but they're pretty intriguing.