Justice officials in "Panic Mode" over failed Gun Program

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Watching the truth come out about this is like watching a really bad accident happen. You find yourself horrified but just can't seem to look away.

I really hope something is done to hold the responsible parties accountable but sadly I don't expect it to happen.
 
In my experience, after working for the government nearly a quarter century, this is how they behave... very bold and in-your-face because they know no one will care enough to do anything about it. I've seen it too many times, from the lowest levels to very high, to think anything different.
 
You guys didn't really expect anyone to go to jail, did you? That's what "above the law" means.
 
Just got this from the NRA

http://www.nramedia.org/t/171478/6565905/6551/0/

In what can only be described as " Washington D.C. logic," the three BATFE agents who were responsible for the "Fast and Furious" debacle in Phoenix have been promoted.

You read that right, promoted! Not reprimanded, not demoted and certainly not fired, but given bigger jobs with more responsibility and more pay.

Each of the agents now have high profile positions in D.C. William Newell is now special assistant to the assistant director of the agency's Office of Management, David Voth has been made branch chief for the BATFE's tobacco division.

And if those two promotions seem hard to understand, the third is particularly hard to fathom. William G. McMahon, who had been the BATFE's deputy director of operations in the West, has been made the deputy assistant director of the Office of Professional Responsibility and Security Operations. That is the division within BATFE that investigates misconduct by agency personnel.
 
This doesn't happen in a country where the rule of law applies, such as the constitutional republic that our constitution established.
It happens in authoritarian systems where the government is not held to the rule of law that they enforce on others.
Even worse than that, we appear to have the government creating or at least clearly exacerbating the very problem that they will "solve." The solution all too often involves more power/money/control/any number of goals for them.
The fact that we can have a thread like this without trolls or a mess is a good sign. I think that many people don't even realize the extent to which our government has gone out of control in many areas that they operate in.
 
The funny thing is when I was in the Border Patrol, I almost got written up when my Baton fell out of the holder and was lost in a field. If I had lost my gun there would have been a full blown investigation. If I handed my gun to an illegal, I'm pretty sure I would have done jail time. I guess I just should have smuggled a large number of guns directly to the cartels to avoid any consequences.
 
The last was a poke in our eye, a slap to the face, a sneering, "Yeah, whaddya gonna DO about it?!?" But what can be done, other than the House voting to defund them, to which they will steal funding from elsewhere. Hey, if aiding and abetting the killing of federal agents and foreign citizens doesn't bother them, some theft wouldn't muss a hair on their heads. I am just very curious if all these hearings CAN lead to any legal action, or whether or not this will only be used for political leverage in 2012, nothing more.
 
The funny thing is when I was in the Border Patrol, I almost got written up when my Baton fell out of the holder and was lost in a field. If I had lost my gun there would have been a full blown investigation. If I handed my gun to an illegal, I'm pretty sure I would have done jail time. I guess I just should have smuggled a large number of guns directly to the cartels to avoid any consequences.
Had you done the latter you would have been RUNNING the BP by now. But, n-o-o-o, you walked away instead. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING??:D
 
Nah, it's a different org. ATF = guns n stuff, so to rise to the top you help cartels get guns. BP = illegal immigration, so I would imagine you rise to the top in that group by letting as many in as possible. Maybe you could have helped dig tunnels or something.
 
Okay, yeah, it may technically be a 'lateral transfer', but what do you want to bet that the 'sideways' motion of title had an upward slant in pay and benefits?

These investigations can and should lead to arrests, convictions, fines, payment to the families, and prison time. Will they? I doubt it. The best we can hope for is for the NRA or someone to keep crying foul whenever they try to divert attention.
 
You read that right, promoted! Not reprimanded, not demoted and certainly not fired, but given bigger jobs with more responsibility and more pay

Who ya gonna believe?
 
Typical ATF SNAFU handling

In the Waco affair, Treasury had cancelled the Waco raid because (a) it sounded risky and (b) the World Trade Center truck bombing was more important. ATF Director Higgins lobbied Treasury to put the Waco raid back on track, by promising there would be an agent inside the Davidian compound and the raid would be cancelled if there was loss of the element of surprise.

On the morning of the raid, when the undercover agent Robert Rodriguez reported that "They know we're coming", the raid leaders Chuck Sarabyn and Phillip Chojnacki instead of cancelling the raid, moved it up 45 minutes. When the raid resulted in a shoot-out that left 4 agents and 6 Davidians dead, Sarabyn and Chojnacki tried to blamed Rodriguez and another agent Dyer: Sarabyn and Chojnacki forged changes to an unused raid plan drawn up by Dyer and tried to blame Dyer.

Sarabyn and Chojnacki were "punished" by being given desk jobs until their retirement with full pension, and all mention of Waco was purged from their personnel files.
 
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Okay, yeah, it may technically be a 'lateral transfer', but what do you want to bet that the 'sideways' motion of title had an upward slant in pay and benefits?

The ATF explanatory press release said that pay and benefits would be the same.

I don't know how this bureaucracy works, but it seems to me that part of advancement is always schmoozing the right people. There are more "right" people at headquarters in Washington than out in Phoenix, so just being at HQ is a benefit.
 
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