Kroger shooting and mayor's comments

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The article about the shooting on Fox (https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-white-man-kills-2-black-customers-at-grocery-store) reports the shooter had the following criminal history:

An arrest record from May 2009 says Bush became "irate" and shouted obscenities and threats at his ex-wife. When deputies tried to subdue him, he fought off attempts to handcuff him and he punched a deputy twice. He was charged with several counts, including assault, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. Bush also was marked as a "suicide risk" on the arrest sheet, which noted that his ex-wife had a protective order against him.

In a 2003 incident, Bush was charged with menacing for following a 15-year-old into a movie theater bathroom and putting his hands around her waist. Bush told the girl he "thought we were family" and the girl pushed him away, according to the arrest record.
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Then at the end the mayor is quoted blaming the incident on guns.

Would the shooter's criminal record and/or having had a protective order against him have disqualified him from owning a firearm?
 
old lady new shooter said:
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An arrest record from May 2009 says Bush became "irate" and shouted obscenities and threats at his ex-wife. When deputies tried to subdue him, he fought off attempts to handcuff him and he punched a deputy twice. He was charged with several counts, including assault, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. Bush also was marked as a "suicide risk" on the arrest sheet, which noted that his ex-wife had a protective order against him.

In a 2003 incident, Bush was charged with menacing for following a 15-year-old into a movie theater bathroom and putting his hands around her waist. Bush told the girl he "thought we were family" and the girl pushed him away, according to the arrest record.
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. . . .Would the shooter's criminal record and/or having had a protective order against him have disqualified him from owning a firearm?
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I have no idea about Kentucky law, so please take my comments to be strictly related to federal law. Without knowing his actual record, we can't know. An arrest is insufficient to disqualify someone on a federal level, as is simply becoming irate. The story indicates a 2009 arrest, but tells us nothing about whether he was convicted. As to the protective order, the story seems to indicate that he had a protective order against him in 2009. That could be a disqualifier, if it's still in force:
(g) It shall be unlawful for any person-- . . . .
(8) who is subject to a court order that--
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had an opportunity to participate;
(B) restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child; and
(C)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
(9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence,

to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

18 U.S.C.A. § 922 (West)
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From the story: ""People getting shot at a grocery store, a school, outside a church. Can't we all agree that that is unacceptable?" Fischer said at a news conference."

Yes. Yes, we can. We can all agree that it is unacceptable. In fact, agreement on that is so strong that we have laws making it illegal; those laws are backed by some of the harshest punishments allowable under the Constitution.

I hope that the mayor can now rest easy, knowing that there is a stable and long-running consensus on this point, and that the law is in accord.
 
old lady new shooter said:
The article about the shooting on Fox (https://www.foxnews.com/us/police-white-man-kills-2-black-customers-at-grocery-store) reports the shooter had the following criminal history:

An arrest record from May 2009 says Bush became "irate" and shouted obscenities and threats at his ex-wife. When deputies tried to subdue him, he fought off attempts to handcuff him and he punched a deputy twice. He was charged with several counts, including assault, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. Bush also was marked as a "suicide risk" on the arrest sheet, which noted that his ex-wife had a protective order against him.

In a 2003 incident, Bush was charged with menacing for following a 15-year-old into a movie theater bathroom and putting his hands around her waist. Bush told the girl he "thought we were family" and the girl pushed him away, according to the arrest record.
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Then at the end the mayor is quoted blaming the incident on guns.

Would the shooter's criminal record and/or having had a protective order against him have disqualified him from owning a firearm?
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Terrible news. Thanks for sharing this very important info.
 
The first reports of this that I read earlier today included that another person fired at the suspect, possibly prompting him to attempt flight. Those reports did not mention race, or the alleged racial motivation behind the initial attack. I wonder if the investigation that revealed the racial nature also has dispelled the idea of an armed civilian having intervened.
 
ATLDave said:
From the story: ""People getting shot at a grocery store, a school, outside a church. Can't we all agree that that is unacceptable?" Fischer said at a news conference."

Yes. Yes, we can. We can all agree that it is unacceptable. In fact, agreement on that is so strong that we have laws making it illegal; those laws are backed by some of the harshest punishments allowable under the Constitution.

I hope that the mayor can now rest easy, knowing that there is a stable and long-running consensus on this point, and that the law is in accord.
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Why would we want to enforce laws though? He doesn’t agree with ones already on in the books.

https://mobile.twitter.com/louisvillemayor/status/1008861039948173312

https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...ns-louisville-sanctuary-city-rule/1062339001/

I tire of people picking what laws they want to enforce at the same time they want more of them....
 
MedWheeler said:
The first reports of this that I read earlier today included that another person fired at the suspect, possibly prompting him to attempt flight. Those reports did not mention race, or the alleged racial motivation behind the initial attack. I wonder if the investigation that revealed the racial nature also has dispelled the idea of an armed civilian having intervened.
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This event was somewhat local to me (for what it's worth it's hardly even in the news cycle here). The citizen pulled his gun out but did not engage the shooter from what I understand. The shooter was already departing the area at the time of the confrontation which (I'm assuming) resulted in the citizen not engaging. Based on the information that I heard, it sounds like the citizen was most likely just trying to protect himself in the parking lot and when the shooter did not present a direct threat to him, he elected not to shoot. Who knows though.
 
sounds like the citizen was most likely just trying to protect himself in the parking lot and when the shooter did not present a direct threat to him, he elected not to shoot.
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Wise beyond years, no matter the age.
 
This event hits me close to home. First, I have been in that Kroger several times, and I used to live by there. But, most of all the shooter is my brother in laws EX-brother in law, being he was married to his twin sister. Note, my brother in law and his sister are both black, (so i dont believe this is some neo-nazi outpour) and she has a son with him. Great kid by the way. There is absolutely NO WAY this guy should be on the street even WITHOUT a gun. He has beat her, his parents, probation officer, and many others and walked away with a slap on the wrist. The guy is a flat out psychopath and too many judge's and therapists knew this, yet there he was with a gun in Kroger. It makes me sick when the mayor of Louisville is of course blaming guns and opposite party politicians for this tragedy. I grew up in Louisville but i am thrilled to be out of there, it's a different world outside of there in Kentucky for the better. Hope they fry his arse, but feel sorry for his boy, even though he has not wanted anything to do with his dad for a long time. And yes, a fellow CC'r did more than likely save a few extra lives and all credit go to the Leo's.
 
Havok7416 said:
This event was somewhat local to me (for what it's worth it's hardly even in the news cycle here). The citizen pulled his gun out but did not engage the shooter from what I understand. The shooter was already departing the area at the time of the confrontation which (I'm assuming) resulted in the citizen not engaging. Based on the information that I heard, it sounds like the citizen was most likely just trying to protect himself in the parking lot and when the shooter did not present a direct threat to him, he elected not to shoot. Who knows though.
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Here locally it has been stayed both ways, no shots fired between the two, and gunfire exchanged. The latter is what most witnesses claim.
 
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