Kroger Sticks to Its (Anti-Freedom) Guns!

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OIC. News to me. Out of that loop, so to speak. They get a tax deduction? Still not shopping Kroger, anymore.
 
JR47 let me be the first to apologize to you for my grammar and punctuation. As I am sure that your comments were directed at me. Now when you use the word "let's" would that mean your are infact going to particpate in doing something worthy, or sit on the fence and point out my grammar. I was typing those emails as I watched my 18 month old daughter. My attention was mainly focused on her. I am however pretty sure that I got my point across. Also the root word of activism is active not education or class.
 
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I bought a Mossberg 500 and an XD .45 from Kroeger in the last year. They had some great prices too.
 
Maybe I'll have to send this to her.

Gun Control Advocates Purvey Deadly Myths printed in the Wall Street Journal 11/11/98

The family gun is more likely to kill you or someone you know than to kill in self-defense.

The 1993 study yielding such numbers, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, never actually inquired as to whose gun was used in the killing. Instead, if a household owned a gun and if a person in that household or someone he knew was shot to death while in the home, the gun in the household was blamed. In fact, virtually all the killings in the study were committed with guns brought in by an intruder. No more than 4% of the gun deaths in the study can be attributed to the homeowner's gun.

Also ignored is that 98% of the time when people use a gun defensively, merely brandishing the weapon is sufficient to stop an attack. In less than 1% of the cases is a gun even fired directly at the attacker.
How many attacks have been deterred from ever occurring by the potential victims owning a gun? My own research finds that more concealed handguns, and increased gun ownership generally, unambiguously deters murder, robbery and aggravated assaults. This is also in line with the well-known fact that criminals prefer attacking victims that they consider weak.
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E-Mail sent letting her know that the Kellerman study was flawed.
 
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I have had several opportunities to be published in the Atlanta Journal Constitution on matters involving Georgia legislation on CCW and guns in general. I did so by being informative, stating resources, and pointing out the fallacies of the opposing writers. I DID NOT make threats, use slang, or look like a fifth grade student in my choice of words, grammar, and punctuation.
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JR47 you are the exception. We need the support of the person that writes on a fifth grade level as well as the educated. I am sorry that you, as self described educated person, take exception to the input of a fellow American who did not have the opportunity to get a better education. As an elected official I work just as hard to accommodate the poorly educated, and their poor grammar and misspelled words are overlooked, as I do the educated.
 
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Remember: We're trying to win converts, not enemies...

Mr Hibbard - - -

I'm sure you're probably aware that some of the e-mail exchanges you've had regarding your support of the Cease Fire "gun buy back" program are being shared with others. I'm one of the "others." I'd like to join in the discussion, if I may.

First and foremost, I want to compliment you for responding with respect and restraint to the first e-mail that was sent to you, which struck me as needlessly abusive.

Second, I want to acknowledge that Kroger's is certainly within its rights to sponsor, or not sponsor, any program it likes.

Third, though, I'd like to suggest that your stance may be based on some incorrect information.

The popular perception that a gun in the home is more likely to harm someone living in the home than to help protect them has been refuted over and over by sound research and statistical analysis. It appears the original "factoid" was developed by picking data and then purposely misapplying statistical techniques, then published in order to support an agenda. It is continues to be cited in support of the same agenda.

In addition, although the total number of guns in America is at an all-time high, and the per-capita rate of gun ownership is also at an all-time high, the gun accident rate is at an all-time low, whether expressed in per-capita terms or in absolute numbers…which is truly remarkable, given our growing population.

As I said, you and your company are free to sponsor whatever program you like. May I suggest, however, that you consider sponsoring genuine gun safety training programs? For example, the "Eddie Eagle" program teaches children that when they see a gun, they should "Stop! Don't touch! Leave the area! Tell and adult!" Something along this line would also support your admirable hopes to promote gun safety, and I believe it would have a much more practical effect. Statistically, I believe you would need to remove about 15,000 guns "from the street" to stop a single gun crime (assuming every turned-in gun had the same chance of being used in a crime) or close to 550,000 to prevent a single accident.

As a side benefit, you could host an "Eddie Eagle" program in your store, bringing in customers while firmly associating your business with civic responsibility. It may be that programs such as this are a major factor in bringing down the rate of accidents.

As a final note, my teenage daughter was once a cashier in a Krogers in Georgia, and I really appreciated the professionalism the store's staff promoted at every level of the operation.

Thanks for your time. Do well!

Paul R. Broshear
Πίστις, ἐλπίς, ἀγάπη
Pistis, elpis, agapē
"Faith, hope, love."
 
JR47 you are the exception. We need the support of the person that writes on a fifth grade level as well as the educated. I am sorry that you, as self described educated person, take exception to the input of a fellow American who did not have the opportunity to get a better education. As an elected official I work just as hard to accommodate the poorly educated, and their poor grammar and misspelled words are overlooked, as I do the educated.
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As an elected official, you have a DUTY to do this. Kroger is a business, run by educated people, and they have ZERO responsibility to pay any attention to comments that are difficult to read, or understand, due to poor spelling, punctuation, and grammar. They do, however, know where the delete button is.

Rednecks? I've been called that. I do, however, repay polite conversation with more of the same. A lack of the basics demeans the message. Like it or not, if you want someone to pay attention to you, you have to make your message concise, and written in a manner that they want to read. An email has access to spell-check, grammar checking, and punctuation checking. Not using them is only evidence of laziness on the part of the sender.
 
Here is the response I got from Kroger:

The City of Dallas has a program this Saturday for a hand gun turn-in for a
$50 Kroger Gift Card. Kroger is not sponsoring the program, the city is
simply using Kroger Gift Cards as the reward for turning in the gun. I
apologize for any confusion the issue may have caused.

We appreciate the opportunity to address your concerns. Thanks again for
writing.
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Screw em'. They ignored us, patronized us.

Make them pay. In times of a low economy you simply can't afford to act stupid, and they did.

Maybe losing a few million dollars will wake them up more than a few e-mails.

You get this to a couple of thousand gun owners and that's an easy number to hit.
 
guys, for boycotts to be effective, you have to stop boycotting after behavior has improved. otherwise, there's no point in them changing as they have no reason to believe you will start shopping with them again.
 
..................the city is
simply using Kroger Gift Cards as the reward for turning in the gun. I
apologize for any confusion
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Is kroger providing free or discounted cards? No matter what they are doing it is a tax write off and free advertisement for the stores.
 
Is kroger providing free or discounted cards? No matter what they are doing it is a tax write off and free advertisement for the stores.
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That's sort of where I am on this too. It is appearing that they may not have considered themselves direct sponsors (depending on who you talk to) but they didn't mind their name in all the newspapers when the event was held.

I am interested to learn if they sold the gift cards at a discount. If they did, that makes them a sponsor, whether knowingly and willingly or not.

If they did not sell them at a discount then I will shop with their stores again, they can't really screen everyone that comes in and wants to pay retail for a stack of gift cards, nor would I expect them to try.

However, they are under no obligation to offer a discount to every charitable organization that comes through the door and if they chose to support this one then my shopping will still be done elsewhere.

Taliv is correct that you can't ask for a change in policy and not reward it, however.

In fact, if there really is a corporate policy change I would be MORE likely to spend money with a company that will admit they were wrong and take steps to fix it. So, if they DID sell the cards at a discount but realize that was a mistake and take steps to fix it, I'll shop again happily.
 
When Kroger begins supporting the NRA, and makes it public, we'll know their behavior has changed and start shopping there again.:D
 
Defense Minister,

If we expect Kroger to make policy to not support gun buy backs then we can't expect them to support another controversial organization like the NRA.

What we can expect is that they be neutral on controversial issues like this.
 
Dallas is not using public money to purchase the gift cards, which Kroger is providing at a 30 percent discount to event sponsors, Dallas spokesman Frank Librio said.
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There we have it.
 
I sent out this email.

I would like to share some comments regarding the Dallas gun buy-back program you are sponsering by your probably discounted $50 gift cards. I realize you will probably claim that you had no knowledge of your cards being used for the event, but I refuse to believe a company like Krogers could be clueless about the use of its cards. I suppose most citizens would be gullible enough to swallow that spin, but most gun owners are intelligent, logical, and suspicious of large political/economic bodies. By being involved in this event, you are supporting the forces that are opposed to the 2nd Amendment, pure and simple. I have a Krogers card I use at my local Krogers and at their gas pumps, but will be using my SuperWalmart and ROC for my groceries and fuel from now on. For me, profit bought by truckling to politically correct corruption will not have any of my money "sponsoring" it.

Thank You
 
I sent Chris an email letting her know we will no longer shop at Kroger, the various links to this story have been forwarded to my and my wife's circle of friends, and that for the sake of their employees, I hope people on the Kroger side of this issue take up the slack.
 
That seems to be a non sequitur, azhunter122. No one has mentioned Fry's up to this point. Are you suggesting there is a connection to Kroger's? I used to shop for electronics goodies all the time in the Bay Area and never saw any connection.
 
Here is a copy of an email I sent to Chris (the person cited on the OPs post)
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Dear Mr. Hibbard,

I live in Frisco, TX, one mile away from the Kroger at Main and Legacy. I write to inform you that since I learned that Kroger was a sponsor of the Dallas gun buy back program, my family has stopped buying groceries and gasoline at your store. I used to spend approximately $400 per month in groceries plus $200 per month in gasoline at that store. I don't believe it is the proper role of a store to mingle with political issues that directly hinder my 2nd amendment rights.

Below is a letter that is circulating in a pro 2nd amendment forum that I subscribe to. Perhaps you should Google to find out what people think about Kroger's position on this matter. You may be losing more than you are gaining by taking this position.

If I am in any way an accurate representation of the customer you are alienating by supporting anti 2nd amendment policies, here is a brief demographic profile of myself:

male
38
white
house hold income > 90K
BA, MBA, MS

Thank you for the time given to this letter. I will also deliver a copy of this letter at the store previously mentioned.


Sincerely,

XXXXXXXXX
 
For a number of years, I shopped at Kroger when visiting relatives in Tennessee and West Virginia. The relatives have moved, and there are no Kroger stores where I live, so I'm no longer a customer.

It would not be inaccurate to say that Kroger used to be my favorite grocery store, and that I used to wish it would enter the Northern Virginia market.

Obviously, I can't participate in a boycott. I'm just posting here, in the off-chance that Kroger does peruse this thread. I'd like them to know that i'm disappointed in their support of anti-gun programs, and that they've lost me as a potential future customer.

Of course, if they repent and see the error of their ways, I'll happily return to wishing there was a Kroger near me.
 
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