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I'd like to start casting this summer. Never tried it before, and thought I might give it a try. Don't have any equipment.

I'd like some suggestions for what might be a good choice for someone starting out. i don't want to spend a ton of money, since there is no guarantee I will like it after I try it.

Mostly I am thinking 38, 9mm, and 45. Probably starting with 38.
 
For prices & simplicity, you just can't beat Lee casting & lubing products.

So far, I'm not a huge fan of thier aluminum molds, but that's because I already have more Lyman & RCBS cast-iron molds then I need or use anyway.

The one Lee I have tried didn't cast as well as I had hoped.

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I casted back in the mid 90's with a buddy. He had the equipment and I providded the WW's and labor. We must have done thousands of rounds before I was transfered. I too am interested in starting casting, but as stated earlier, I don't have the equipment. I'm probably gonna only cast 45 caliber and 30-30 Win boolits, as I do have moulds for these rounds. I'm tossing around the idea of a Lee Lube and Size Kit for theses rounds.... Any ideas???? I've never used them and they are so cheap (less than $20) that I'm kinda weary about the kit. What about the Lube-A-Matic from RCBS?? All my reloading stuff is RCBS. :confused:

Thanks for any suggestions

The Dove
 
I have all Lyman & RCBS stuff.
The RCBS Lube-A-Matic is exactly the same thing as the Lyman Lubri-Sizer, but they both cost a lot of money any more, and extra sizing dies & top punches do to.

I have not used the Lee sizer, but it works just like the old Lyman tong-tool sizer, and I have sized a gazillion bullets with one of those mounted in my reloading press years ago.
The Lee liquid tumble lube method also seems to work fine from everything I have heard.

SO, if money was no object, I'd probably get what I got, more Lyman & RCBS stuff.

But if I wasn't sure how serious casting will become, I'd go Lee all the way.
Even if you don't use it very much, it still will pay for itself in a short time.

BTW: Regardless of which brand you go with, you just can't beat the Lee Production Pot or Magnum Melter for the price!

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I have a 20# Lee bottom-pour melter, an assortment of Lee bullet molds, several bottles of Lee tumble lube, a couple of Lee bullet sizing dies, and a Lyman 4500 lubrisizer.

The 2-cavity molds work great. No problems at all except they are a little slow -- but that's their nature so I can't complain about that.

I just bought two 6-cavity Lee molds, and one casts bullets .004" larger than it's supposed to, and the other casts bullets .0015" too small (using the same alloy.) I'm not happy about the too-large bullets but can size them down. The too-small ones are unusable.

I haven't decided whether to send both molds back, or just to too-small one.
 
I have an RCBS Pro melt (I think that's what it's called) for a pot mostly Redding /Saeco and RCBS blocks one LBT block and 2 Rapine molds. For melting the WW I bought a camp stove from Fire Chef hooks up to a # propane tank a cast iron stew pot and 2 cast iron pans divided into wedges to make my ingots.
With the camp stove and the cast iron pots I can melt 60-80#of WW in 90 min.
I mix 50/50 with lino type makes a very nice bullet. Size with an RCBS lube/sizer.
 
I have an RCBS Pro melt (I think that's what it's called) for a pot mostly Redding /Saeco and RCBS blocks one LBT block and 2 Rapine molds. For melting the WW I bought a camp stove from Fire Chef hooks up to a # propane tank a cast iron stew pot and 2 cast iron pans divided into wedges to make my ingots.
With the camp stove and the cast iron pots I can melt 60-80#of WW in 90 min.
I mix 50/50 with lino type makes a very nice bullet. Size with an RCBS lube/sizer.
 
I'd like some suggestions for what might be a good choice for someone starting out. i don't want to spend a ton of money, since there is no guarantee I will like it after I try it.

Lee is the cheapest way to get into it. Everybody else is 2 to 4 times the price.

Spring for a bottom pour pot.
 
ilbob, you're being wise to spend minamally to start. Unless you really enjoy the casting, you'll find, as I did, that it just ain't worth the time. Nothing against casting, just that if your time has any value, you can buy bullets cheaper. You may really like it, then get the better (pricier) stuff. My pard really enjoys it and is forever giving me bullets that I really don't want, but I try them--I'm referring to rifle bullets. Even he says he can't justify feeding his .45 ACP with his own casting. I do cast balls for my muzzle loader, but a session now and then supplies me for a long time, plus I get the size ball I need. As for other casting, I gave it up, mostly, even though I have the Lyman sizer, etc. But, you may find it enjoyable. Just don't mortgage the farm to find out. I don't actually get enjoyment out of loading, either. It's a means to an end in my case, and I do a lot of it. My time is worth less than the cost of factory ammo, besides I get better ammo--not to mention 3 wildcats for which there is no option. Hope it works out for you!
 
The Lee tumble lube is great stuff, and it's cheap. The down side is it's messy and it leaves your bullets sticky even when the ammo is loaded. The Lee bullet sizing dies are adequate. The Lee tumble lube bullet molds I have drop perfect bullets that do not need to be sized at all.

My favorite .45 Colt load uses a Lee TL 230 grain flat nosed bullet; I load them up by the hundreds and store them in a 1-gallon paint can. (It keeps them from getting dusty or gritty.)
 
Give us an idea of what firearms, targets, and how serious

Handgun or rifle? Hunting, serious target shooting or just plinking? Do you want performance that rivals jacketed bullets, or can you accept a little less? Do you have a backyard you can set up a table and feed electricity to? What is your time worth?

If you are retired and short on money, but long on time, 1 or 2 cavity molds are ok. Otherwise, if you are going to shoot through pistols, you'll need large quantities of bullets, so 4 or 6 cavity molds would be nice.

If you are casting into a 4 or 6 cavity mold with bullets of significant weight, a 10 pound furnace is too small (you will suck it dry just after you finish getting the mold up to temperature). For big molds, 20 pound furnaces are the minimum.

I can cast 24 bullets per minute for long periods with a Lee 6-cavity fed by a 20 pound furnace, with another 10 pounder also melting Lead. I cast, then empty the mold into a 5 gallon bucket of water. The water quench causes a harder bullet, and reduces the number of dinged bullets.

For Rifle bullets, single cavity is fine. The demands are more exacting, and you will shoot less of them. I you are going to exceed 1400 fps, you usually need gas check molds, and gas checks will double or triple your costs.

I've mostly used NRA 50/50 formula, but I am starting to play with heated lubes. NRA formula is a little smokey with lower pressure handgun loads. I have used the Lyman lube machines with great satisfaction for many years, but they are very slow compared to a Star lube machine.

The Lee tumble lube system works ok for low performance, but lube on bullet noses will build up in seating dies, causing progressively deeper bullet seating, which will raise pressures very quickly in pistol bullets. To deal with this, I thin the Lee Liquid Alox with Mineral Spirits, and using big tweezers just dip the driving bands portion of the bullet. I also like Dillon seating dies, which allow one to disassemble and clean a seating die without losing adjustment.

If using aluminum molds, look into Bullplate lube available over on the Cast Boolits board. It prevents galling, an adhesive wear pattern that frequently occurs between the Sprue Plate and the top of the mold blocks.

CDD
 
I have been shooting for over 60 years and hit everything well that I aimed at but when I started reloading and bulletcasting I wound up enjoying doing that and teaching that fun hobby. I relly enjoyed casting the most and a had a maximum of 1032 molds at once starting with H&G still have 20 of them up to ten cavities and a thousand original Saeco 4 cavity molds as an investment in Saeco Co, and have only a dozen left and one Lee 6 cavity new. I sold Lee molds when they were first invented and they are fine for starters so I sold starters and the best molds ever made. There was nothing like hearing my pair of Bulletmaster Casting machines noisily cranking out 4,800 .45acp bullets per hour. That was pure enjoyment.

I am saying is that one thing can lead to another and once you start casting beautiful bullets and creating your own beautiful loaded ammunition who knows where it will lead??
 
If using aluminum molds, look into Bullplate lube available over on the Cast Boolits board

I was waiting to see if someone would say that...so for RCBS and Lyman one and 2 cavity molds would I need Bullplate lube? I have heard some people talk about a bullet releaser spray? I guess that helps the bullets drop out? Is it NEEDED? Part of required setup when you consider getting everything together for the first time?
 
RCBS and Lyman molds are Ferrous, and I do not use Bullplate lube on them.

Mold release is something I use sometimes. Some molds are 'sticky,' and a little bit of mold release spray (or being smoked with a wood match) may do wonders. Mold release spray may make your bullets a little smaller, which may be good or bad, depending on what size you want. I would say wood matches do similar things, so it is not absolutely needed.

CDD
 
For those who think they are going to get fairly serious about bullet casting, I suggest they go over to castboolits/gunloads.com and get some more information. I go there quite often. Lots of good information on casting there.

Regards,

Dave
 
ilbob, where in Illinois are you located? If you're near Central Illinois I'd be willing to help you get started so you can see if you like it without spending too much money. I've got a smelting setup, a cheap lee pot, and even some molds depending on what you're trying to do. All you'd need is a big bucket of wheel weights! :)

Have a good one,
Dave
 
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