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Other then My two scales and a case trimmer (RCBS) all of my reloading equipment is Lee. What's the problem? Broken carbide ring? Maybe you adjusted the die wrong...Just maybe. I have Lee dies sets from over 20 years ago and have yet to break a carbide ring...
 
All my "active" calibers are now Lee--I currently load for .38 Special, 357 Magnum, 10mm, .45ACP, and .223.

All die sets are in turrets--4-die for an updated Turret, and 5-die for the Load-Master, save for the .223--that's turret only, and can be loaded with the typical "prep" workflow with only the three dies.

Early on, I tried other die sets--but basically, I've stayed with the Lees. The Hornady (?) Nitrides appealed to me--but I found them to be of little practical benefit.

I even have the FCD setups, and find no fault with them for building good fodder when set up properly.

I now have several scales--but my daily user is the Lee scale; I've learned how to use it reliably, and its small size is a factor on my current bench. I do have a power Lyman trimmer--but it is largely unused since I do little rifle reloading yet, and I don't trim my (pistol) straightwall cases except as a wintertime project--maybe.

Jim H.
 
I have Lee die sets for all of the calibers that I shoot, 6 handgun, 380ACP - 45ACP, and 4 rifle, 223 - 300 mag. I have never had any problem with the dies except for the occasional decapping pin break. The dacapper pins only break when the shell is not pushed all the way into the shell holder. Generally this is caught when the shell first enters the decapping die, but not always as one starts getting faster as the reloading session continues.

I started reloading 15 years or so ago for accuracy and was very sucessful, but being retired, I reload now for economy at the range. Taking your grown kids to the range for some fun and practice when each wants to shoot at least a box of 40s, 45s or 44 mag is well beyond my capability without reloads. Lee being lowest cost in dies is a plus.

My experience with Lee has been exceptional, especially with their taper crimp rifle and pistol dies.
 
Jcwit: Let's discuss it over a beer...I'm buying. Unfortunately my training causes me to select quality over practicality in most cases. If I made a design error, and had a systems failure, hundreds could be injured or worse...hopefully you can see my point of view. :D
 
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Sounds like a good idea, and we probably have alot in common, and would have a good time hashing over the worlds problems. With the quality/price of Lee dies being one of the more insignificant problems.

With that being said "dam I hate that phrase" I seriously doubt I'll get that far east again, but thats another story for another day.
 
I have one die set that uses a Lee sizer, a Redding expander, a Hornady seater, and a C&H crimp die. 9MM. Works great. :D

I'll buy the beer, but won't partake, if that's OK. Just let me know what the tab was jcwit, if ya'll ever get together. ;)
 
I've got a couple sets of LEE dies and couple sets of RCBS dies. They all are capable loading good ammo.

I actually prefer the Lees dies. They are easier for me to set up, maybe because LEE were the first dies I ever set up. I still have that first 3 die set (.45ACP) and have use them almost every week since 1995 and they are still prouducing top quality ammo. I don't expect them to stop anytime soon.

Will
 
What do you think of those Bair dies? Are they as good as my Herters? :)
 
See their I told you we probably had something in common. My first complete reloading set was a Bair in 38/357 set, press, powder measure, scales, dies, deburring tool ect. The set is all Blue, I even have the box for it yet. Was given to me by a salesman who rep'ed for Bair. I bought camping supplies from other companies he rep'ed. At the time I was a purchasing agent for a camping supply company.

Bair dies, made of tool steel and chrome plated and yes they will rust.
 
I have had problems with Hornaday dies also and they don't come cheap. I find the ammo for my 300 Win just don't work als well as from RCBS dies. I have aluminum dies even that work out okay for a 22 Hornet.
 
I have loaded all kinds of ammo with Lee dies and not one problem. They seem like a good value to me...
 
Walk: "The big difference is some folks are willing to pay for better workmanship, even if it performs no better, although often times it does."

I wasn't trying to challange you, just wanted to see your point more clearly. You did that.

I too appreciate excellant machining and like "purty" things too - check my (now old) wife's photos in her youth!

But, as the saying goes, "beauty is only skin deep." I've found NO difference in function or accuracy with ammo made from some homley Lee dies and my flashier dies so I dislike seeing implications that those with less to spend are only getting "starter" dies when they buy Lee. Lee has`a purty all its own!

Lee ain't my favorite dies, that's Forster, but I DO have a few Lees. And, on AVERAGE, few rifles can tell any difference between ammo made with any die brand available. And I believe the loader's SKILL far exceeds the simple value of any brand of tools. So...?

We can NEVER get more than we pay for but we can, and often do, get LESS than we pay for! My limited experience with two Jaguars (one English, one American) didn't impress me.
 
We can NEVER get more than we pay for but we can

Here we go with a blanket statement again. Short story!!
I served in the Army with another chap who wished to buy a car for his future wife to drive back and forth to work. He bought her a used Renault from a private party for $10.00. The vehicle had less than 500 miles on the odmeter and was 2 months old from being sold new from the dealership. I know this for a fact as I was the witness on the title. This was in 1967.

Yes it is very possible to get more than one pays for something, it does happen.

BTW he and his wife drove the $10.00 car for 8 years, basic cost of the car per year $1.25.
 
Jcwit: We do have something in common. After I started loading, I went from a Lyman Tru-line Jr press and dies to a Bair O-type press(Grizzly I believe) and Bair dies to go with it. I used this press for case forming up to 3 years ago until I gave it to a friend who just started reloading and it's still running great. That press dates back to the mid sixties! The two sets of Bair dies I have are still in excellent condition, but are not used any longer. Jcwit, by any chance do you have any marriageable daughters? I have two very eligible sons looking. ROFLMAO! :D
 
I wasn't trying to challange you, just wanted to see your point more clearly. You did that.
Wasn't feeling challenged, and I welcome everyone's honest opinions. I just though I would throw that analogy in.

Lee has`a purty all its own!
"Pretty is as pretty does" they used to say, but I do believe some dies do some things better than Lee dies, or I wouldn't have them.

Lee dies are a great value in the reloading market and I never knock any one who uses them. At least I hope not, and don't believe I have.

I started with a RCBS single stage, then a Lee Turret, then quickly to a Hornady Projector, and now of course to the LNL, after many years of using the Projector.

The Lee turret is a super option for a new reloader, and I have recommended it often in the past here.

AC
 
"The Lee is a supper option for a new reloader, and I have recommended it often in the past here."...........@#$%^&*!!!! What do you mean "...for a new reloader,...":evil:......:p
 
it's been my experience that there's snobbery regarding lee equipment. loadedround admits that the lee die set he has works well, but prefers redding. no arguing that redding makes a great product, but lee's product does everything necessary to produce fine ammunition, too. i try to use the equipment that does the job most efficiently with cost in mind, and have no trouble matching lee dies to my dillon 550.

i love tools...a dillon 550, two dillon square deal b's, a chucker, and an orange crush sit on my bench but the press i use most is a lee classic cast turret...for runs under 100 rds, it's the most efficient for me.

there are lee products that i avoid...scales and powder measures come to mind (even though dillon pays a design royalty to lee for dillon's measures), but lee's innovations are hard to beat, i.e.:
1) shell holders included with standard die sets
2) nearly unbreakable decapping pin assemblies that double as stuck case removers
3) the gold standard for hand priming tools...have the hornady and use the lee exclusively.
4) factory crimp dies
5) lee collet dies

as a long time bullet casting hobbyist i've retired most of my lyman and rcbs gear in favor of 6 cavity tumble-lube/liquid alox pistol bullet molds; with gas-checked rifle bullets. i love the inexpensive and efficient push thru bullet sizers, again with the liquid alox lube...oh, yeah i retired a lyman 10 lb casting pot in favor of lee's pro 20, too.

the repair/replacement service advertised by lee isn't as comprehensive as dillon or rcbs, but in practice, the one or two times i've needed help, it was free.

in short, regarding lee equipment, you get what you pay for...and sometimes much more!

budman
 
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