Lee Single Stage and Pro 1000 team

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Hi all, I wanted to get some feedback on the thought of a two press configuration.

I have a Lee Single Stage press, and I want to upgrade but I want to keep the simplicity and QC/QA of the single Stage world.

My thoughts were this:

Rifle - Use the Single Stage for everything.

Pistol - Use Single Stage for sizing, decapping and priming (One function) and then use the Lee Pro 1000 for charging/flaring, seating and Lee factory crimp die...

It seems as though priming (And getting rid of spent primers) on the progressive press is the cause of many problems.

I have a bench, but I was going to mount the single stage on a "coffee table" so I could decap/prime while watching TV or something...

Is this a reasonable way to increase my output. I have a $200 budget and want to reuse as much as I can such as the Lee Auto Disks and Safety Prime system.....
 
It is what I have been doing for the last 2+ years now

Long story short;

Have had the 1000 for probably close to 18 years now.
Loaded all of my handgun cartridges on it for years.
Then I just got to the point of the dang priming station on the 1000 is not very user friendly :cuss:

Put it away to gather dust.

Started Bullseye pistol competition 2 and a half years ago.

I reload a lot of .45
Most dies now days are a 4 piece set(includes the sizer/ crimp die)

There are 3 holes in the 1000 and 1 hole in my single press.

Aha;
Decap with the Lee single press.
I prime with a hand held Lee tool.
I use the 1000 for the other 3 dies.
Use the Lee auto disk powder measure on station #1
Bullet seater on station #2
Sizer/ crimp on station #3

Works perfect :D
Am very happy cause Lee stuff is the best bang for the buck.

Clarence
 
I'm a rookie and still in single stage land for pistols.

I do all my operations on a single die in batches of 50-100, unless I'm trying something different on purpose. Then I swap to the next die and do the next operation on the batch.

The only "slow" part of my process is charging, but it's less of an issue with pistols. If your powder meters well, even a mediocre powder measure is going to be close enough.

Reason being two-part:

1) pistol shooting distance is shorter, thus accuracy is nothing along the lines of .308 load you take out to 500+ yards for example
2) smaller powder charge - suppose 5gr is the recipe, but your measure runs +/-5%. That's only .25 grains, isn't generally a safety risk and few shooters are so accurate anyhow.

In summary, if you do large enough batches, you gain some economies of scale from the die changes. Your money might be better spent on a better scale/powder measure if that's your weakest link.
 
Smurf, have you used the Auto Disk? It really speeds up the operations. I do what you do except I do batches of 200-300 rounds. I am trying to shoot that many a week to get ready for the spring/summer competition season and I am just ready to move up.

I load for several different calibers now, and even though it has only been a couple of years I have loaded well over 10K rounds.

I just want to move away from the Single stage. I don't NEED to, I want to. But I also want to utilize my investment and avoid the known Lee primer feeding issus on the progressive presses.

Your doing it the right way though.... And, you may never choose to move away from Single Press... many people don't and load for pistol but more people choose to go the progressive route if they shoot upwards of 500 rounds a month.
 
I prefer to clean my brass between resizing and loading. So, I set the progressive up to resize and bell the cases. Then they get cleaned. For loading, I prime off line then let the press charge the case, seat the bullet and taper crimp.

Most of my rifle ammunition is still reloaded on a single stage press. Fewer steps on the press but need to clean off the lubricant between resizing and reloading.

This is not the only way to reload, but just to give you some food for thought. You will need to evolve your process to suit your needs.
 
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And with 2 Pro 1000s you'd have 6 stations:eek:.
And still cheaper than some other progressives:what:
Buy one with dies, as a kit...and one without.

I've been thinking about this for a while and want to try a Pro 1000.
Why?, just because I have room for one!

rem1858:
It's good to know the powder drop will work in station one, thanks for the info.
 
The Lee Pro 1000 is not a bad press, especially for pistol rounds. The primer feed system is very, very simple and very, very terrible IMHO. I had one before I was given a Hornady LNL AP. As long as you are going to prime separately you will be fine with any configuration I think.
 
Pure opinion

At 200-300 round per loading session, you are close to being a good candidate for a progressive, and the Pro-1000 is certainly the most economical. But given the feeding problems, quite possibly the slowest of the progressives.

I have two Pro-1000s. One for small primers and one for large. I was able to keep primers flowing reliably by ALWAYS watching the primer feed chute and keeping it FULL, at least 5, but preferably all the way up to the primer flip tray.

I would also pause the stroke of the press' operating handle as the shell plate was rotating and the cartridge case hit the detection lever. If the primers did not advance at that exact time, I would stop right there and advance the primers by hand with a custom made tool (bent paper clip). Then continue the stroke of the handle.

This kind of attention to multiple events happening in quick sequence or simultaneously slowed me down from what might have been my maximum speed, but I did alright. I developed a checklist to follow to ensure I never missed a step

Make sure finished round cleared the press
Put bullet on the next case.
half-stroke
check primer movement
finish stroke
check powder drop
Insert new case on the case feed device (I didn't use the case feeder tubes)
down-stroke
etc.

Ultimately, I developed a mantra of one syllable per event. But I was still slow and halting.

Finally, I got tired of that. When I added another caliber, I decided not to get another shell plate and shopped around for a turret press.

I upgraded my bench by switching "down" to a Lee Classic Turret. The Lee Deluxe Turret is not as expensive, but also, in my opinion, not as good as the Classic Turret.

I couldn't be happier.

I can use the same shell holders as my single stage press.
My second time using the press, I loaded 100 rounds in 47 minutes, which was about as good as I ever did on my Pro-1000.
Changing calibers was simplicity itself.
My Pro-1000s would catch only about 75% of the spent primers (and even then stored them under the press, which required dismounting the thing for disposal). My Classic Turret drops them down a tube, 100%.
The little "pez dispenser" primer feed is not 100% perfect, as it does not feed the last two primers without assistance, but that is still two and a half times (2 vs 5) better than the Pro-1000. And I can SEE if the primer is sideways BEFORE seating it.

However, to get the best use out of your Lee Turret (Lee, because no other manufacturers' turrets have automatic advancing of the turret), you should ("should"- opinion) leave the cartridge case in the press and perform all loading functions in a through-put mode, not removing the case until it has been turned into a finished cartridge. All that inserting and removing takes time. The auto-indexing turret saves that time.

Of course, the Progressive saves the same time (but only if you don't do the extra insert/remove cycles), and gives you one finished cartridge per stroke instead of one cartridge per four strokes.

But the Classic Turret can be had for under $100 and about $10 per extra turret, involves no other extra parts (like shell plates or carriers) and (in my opinion and my estimate) will deliver about half the production rate of the Pro-1000 on its best day.

In summary, for a sub-$200 investment for a good jump in production, I would get either Lee Turret (preference to the Classic Turret).

For $85 plus shipping, you can get a Classic Turret. Add $10 (shop around, otherwise it's $13) per caliber you load for, for extra turrets (less the one that comes with the press) and you have completely retained the simplicity and control of the single stage with a concomitant doubling (or more) of production rate.

For best results, you will want to change your operational plan. Sizing/decap/reprime in a step separate from the Charging/seating/crimping operations is (my opinion) pointless. Do'em all in one pass with 4 strokes of the handle per round.

If you need more than 150-200 rounds per hour you are a good candidate for a progressive, but you are not going to get away with it for under $200, probably $250 or a little more by the time you are done and have given up the simplicity of the single stage and turret for the complexity of the Progressive.

Not that the progressive route is a bad thing, and since you are considering these factors
Is this a reasonable way to increase my output. I have a $200 budget and want to reuse as much as I can such as the Lee Auto Disks and Safety Prime system.....
Increasing output for $200 budget and reusing as much as you can... The Lee Classic Turret is the obvious choice.

If you are going to shoot a LOT of rounds (for competition), I would consider skipping the Lee Pro-1000 altogether and going Dillon, Hornady or Lee Loadmaster. Biting the "bullet" for Dillon will only hurt once. Wrestling with your loading gear when you have a competition in the morning hurts more.

My choice for me was the Turret. My choice for you?....well that is why my post is so long.

Good luck and thanks for asking our advice,

Lost Sheep
 
Why not just do a classic turret. It's beefy, and it works. You can still do all of the tasks you mentioned, have a turret for each caliber, increase production, and do rifle calibers too. The primer system is easier and you can install the pro disk powder measure. It's just a step below progressive, but it sure works for me.
 
Well, I went to that thread... and off to the thread linked in it and I am still not sure what to do.... lol

I guess I went from the classic hand loader, to the single stage... I guess I will go to the Turret and then to the Load Master.... Who knows. I bet availability has something to do with my decision too :)

Thanks all....
 
The classic turret is built much better than the deluxe. The classic is made of cast iron, and is fairly heavy. On the other hand the regular turret is made primarily of cast aluminum. The classics are going for a pretty good price at natchez right now, or you can go straight to Lee and get one that's factory refurb.
 
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