"Let's All Be Sheep"

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Plate: Let's lay down our right to bear arms
By Tom Plate
Special to CNN

Editor's note: Tom Plate, former editor of the editorial pages of the Los Angeles Times, is a professor of communication and policy studies at UCLA. He is author of a new book, "Confessions of an American Media Man."

LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- Most days, it is not at all hard to feel proud to be an American. But on days such as this, it is very difficult.

The pain that the parents of the slain students feel hits deep into everyone's hearts. At the University of California, Los Angeles, students are talking about little else. It is not that they feel especially vulnerable because they are students at a major university, as is Virginia Tech, but because they are (to be blunt) citizens of High Noon America.

"High Noon" is a famous film. The 1952 Western told the story of a town marshal (played by the superstar actor Gary Cooper) who is forced to eliminate a gang of killers by himself. They are eventually gunned down.

The use of guns is often the American technique of choice for all kinds of conflict resolution. Our famous Constitution, about which many of us are generally so proud, enshrines -- along with the right to freedom of speech, press, religion and assembly -- the right to own guns. That's an apples and oranges list if there ever was one.

Not all of us are so proud and triumphant about the gun-guarantee clause. The right to free speech, press, religion and assembly and so on seem to be working well, but the gun part, not so much.

Let me explain. Some misguided people will focus on the fact that the 23-year-old student who killed his classmates and others at Virginia Tech was ethnically Korean. This is one of those observations that's 99.99 percent irrelevant. What are we to make of the fact that he is Korean? Ban Ki-moon is also Korean! Our brilliant new United Nations secretary general has not only never fired a gun, it looks like he may have just put together a peace formula for civil war-wracked Sudan -- a formula that escaped his predecessor.

So let's just disregard all the hoopla about the race of the student responsible for the slayings. These students were not killed by a Korean, they were killed by a 9 mm handgun and a .22-caliber handgun.

In the nineties, the Los Angeles Times courageously endorsed an all-but-complete ban on privately owned guns, in an effort to greatly reduce their availability. By the time the series of editorials had concluded, the newspaper had received more angry letters and fiery faxes from the well-armed U.S. gun lobby than on any other issue during my privileged six-year tenure as the newspaper's editorial page editor.

But the paper, by the way, also received more supportive letters than on any other issue about which it editorialized during that era. The common sense of ordinary citizens told them that whatever Americans were and are good for, carrying around guns like costume jewelry was not on our Mature List of Notable Cultural Accomplishments.

"Guns don't kill people," goes the gun lobby's absurd mantra. Far fewer guns in America would logically result in far fewer deaths from people pulling the trigger. The probability of the Virginia Tech gun massacre happening would have been greatly reduced if guns weren't so easily available to ordinary citizens.

Foreigners sometimes believe that celebrities in America are more often the targets of gun violence than the rest of us. Not true. Celebrity shootings just make better news stories, so perhaps they seem common. They're not. All of us are targets because with so many guns swishing around our culture, no one is immune -- not even us non-celebrities.

When the great pop composer and legendary member of the Beatles John Lennon was shot in 1980 in New York, many in the foreign press tabbed it a war on celebrities. Now, some in the media will declare a war on students or some-such. This is all misplaced. The correct target of our concern needs to be guns. America has more than it can possibly handle. How many can our society handle? My opinion is: as close to zero as possible.

Last month, I was robbed at 10 in the evening in the alley behind my home. As I was carrying groceries inside, a man with a gun approached me where my car was parked. The gun he carried featured one of those red-dot laser beams, which he pointed right at my head.

Because I'm anything but a James Bond type, I quickly complied with all of his requests. Perhaps because of my rapid response (it is called surrender), he chose not to shoot me; but he just as easily could have. What was to stop him?

This occurred in Beverly Hills, a low-crime area dotted with upscale boutiques, restaurants and businesses -- a city best known perhaps for its glamour and celebrity sightings.

Oh, and police tell me the armed robber definitely was not Korean. Not that I would have known one way or the other: Basically the only thing I saw or can remember was the gun, with the red dot, pointed right at my head.

A near-death experience does focus the mind. We need to get rid of our guns.
 
Can we tone down the whole "sheep" thing? Way overused, and I don't think it helps convert people to our cause.
 
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I do not understand why he believes fully complying with someone choosing to victimize him with accomplish anything.

Nor do I believe his account of being mugged by a robber with a firearm and a laser sight, unless it was a airsoft or other low budget firearm.

I do, believe, that he has shown no facts to back up his position.
 
Someone PLEASE tell me this guy is being a smart-ass. Let's all roll over and play dead? What?!!

These students were not killed by a Korean, they were killed by a 9 mm handgun and a .22-caliber handgun.

No sir, these victims were indeed killed by a Korean. A Korean that happened to use a tool named a "Handgun." Let's place blame exactly where it belongs...on the shoulders of a very distubed young man.

P.S. This issue is not about race so don't make it into that.
 
Sounds like he is trying to throw gun owners in the same mix as racists by bringing up the Korean angle... Oh, and the sheep thing is way over used... Let's stick with "sheeple"... (sorry, I couldn't resist) :evil:
 
Last month, I was robbed at 10 in the evening in the alley behind my home. As I was carrying groceries inside, a man with a gun approached me where my car was parked. The gun he carried featured one of those red-dot laser beams, which he pointed right at my head.

Because I'm anything but a James Bond type, I quickly complied with all of his requests. Perhaps because of my rapid response (it is called surrender), he chose not to shoot me; but he just as easily could have. What was to stop him?

This occurred in Beverly Hills, a low-crime area dotted with upscale boutiques, restaurants and businesses -- a city best known perhaps for its glamour and celebrity sightings.

Oh, and police tell me the armed robber definitely was not Korean. Not that I would have known one way or the other: Basically the only thing I saw or can remember was the gun, with the red dot, pointed right at my head.

A near-death experience does focus the mind. We need to get rid of our guns.

Ok- magical time... all guns don't exist, and we engage the Wayback machine:

I was robbed at 10 in the evening in the alley behind my home. As I was carrying groceries inside, a man with a butcher's knife approached me where my car was parked.

Because I'm anything but a James Bond type, I quickly complied with all of his requests. Perhaps because of my rapid response (it is called surrender), he chose not to stab me; but he just as easily could have. What was to stop him?

Where were the police?
Why didn't he let you take out your cell phone to dial 911?
What if he had gut stabbed you and slashed your throat?

Good thing you weren't armed though.
That might be dangerous.

We need to keep these things out of people's ability to obtain them.
 
They always use the term "common sense gun laws". They just don't get it, and they never will. They are the ones who are not using common sense.
And saying the other ammendnents to the constitution are ok, but not the 2nd.???? Can anybody explain to him that the 2nd is the only one that guarantees all the others.
 
Laying aside the racist charge for a minute, let me review the rest of his argument.

What he's really trying to say is that we as a society cannot be trusted to responsibly own or operate firearms. I don't trust you and you don't trust me; none of us can trust the other.

This already comes into play with things like governor switches on automobiles. You can't be trusted to operate your vehicle safely if we give it the ability to move over a certain speed. I'm sure you can find other examples.

"A well regulated militia is not necessary for the security of a free State, the People have no right to keep and bear Arms," or if you add nonexistent language and read it as a fallacious collectivist argument, "Since a well regulated militia is not necessary for the security of a free State, the People have no right to keep and bear Arms."

Our nation is perpetually secure, and we are no longer responsible enough as a society to be entrusted with such things, so sayeth Plate. I don't know what his proposals will be for checking cases of police misuse of firearms; perhaps an acceptable statistic from his point of view.

I would agree that if I take the worst examples I can find in the US, it looks like we are a terribly irresponsible and fatally permissive society. The worst examples of journalism makes his profession look particularly bad, as well. What amendment was it again guaranteeing freedom of the press? I forget which one is which in this rush to repeal . . .

I don't believe "gun control" legislation works. I do believe the next argument gun control proponents will use is "repeal the 2nd Amendment." I had already heard it bandied about before the events at VT, and I think it will be heard more often as time passes. They will attempt to label gun owners as a "minority", but one without a need to be protected.

Next one on the list might be the right to vote, since fewer and fewer do that every year. We can't possibly be allowed the responsibility to vote! Look at how many elections have to end up in the judicial system.

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These students were not killed by a Korean, they were killed by a 9 mm handgun and a .22-caliber handgun.


That is my quote of the day!!!
As Bugs Bunny would say.. "Whadda Maroon"

It's like those darn SUVs that are single handily destroying the ozone layer...
And those darn planes that crashed themselves into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon..
And those silly cars that keep randomly exploding in Iraq and Israel...
And those camels that keep killing all those people in Darfur...


hmmm.... anyone see a pattern?
 
durn my hide

Q: "Tone down "sheep?"

Now, I've been called a lot worse, but for those for whom any resemblance of the truth is classified as "offensive," then how about herd doggies?

You know the old cowboy song "Git along little doggies, it's your misfortune and none of my own."

I guess my skin is just too thick from all the abrasion of life to be wounded by mosquito bites anymore. Perhaps poor "Cho" had some of that thin and sensitive skin, and should have been coddled more.
 
Interesting article.

Well, I gotta say, I don't hear about too many criminals that have laser scopes on their "I'm going to rob you" guns. Be that as it may, the fact that this individual was actually robbed at gunpoint in front of his home and still prefers to have everyone lay down their firearms shows me what a complete dolt he is. Maybe next time he will get shot, and aside from his assailant being a violent individual, the writer's stupidity will also be to blame for not taking some kind of precaution.

California's an interesting state where, if one hopes to attain a CCW, the majority of the time he has to go through written and psychological tests just to usually be denied at the end of the process anyway after spending good money to even be considered. It gives a lot of the criminals out here carte blanche to inflict all sorts of violence on society that can't be combatted because Senator Feinstein doesn't care about anyone but herself.

Either way, I don't really listen to the Democratic times of Los Angeles too much. It's pretty biased towards obvious ideals instead of giving a broad spectrum of stories backed up with general facts.
 
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