Lock your car doors
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Locking your doors is well-advised and the second thing I do after getting in the car. It will not prevent a carjacker from entering your car, but it will make them work harder for it.
I think both parties are knuckleheads:
1. The Infantes for double-parking and expecting everyone else in town to accommodate their obnoxious behavior.
2. Moody, for escalating a situation into fisticuffs
I will continue the rest of my post on APS, THR S&T is not the appropriate venue for such content:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=9567.0
I think both parties are knuckleheads:
1. The Infantes for double-parking and expecting everyone else in town to accommodate their obnoxious behavior.
2. Moody, for escalating a situation into fisticuffs
I will continue the rest of my post on APS, THR S&T is not the appropriate venue for such content:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=9567.0
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george29
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After reading most the comments here, I never want to have to defend myself in court before a jury of my "peers". There is nothing cut and dry here, we don't know what really transpired, before the TV crew started filming. Do we know if there is a prior "relationship" between the dentist and the others. Why was the guy blocking the dentists car? The fact that the dentist was much bigger doesn't make the actions of the other two right. If anything, all 3 are to blame for different actions.
Did he mean to push the sister to the ground or was he in fact defending his personal space (she also assaulted and battered him). Big guys don't need to use all that much strength to push a smaller person off their feet, maybe that was a small shove for him and he had no intention of causing her to go airborne.
Last off, TV reporters will say anything to make their reports sensational, we all love those reporters that call every handgun "Deadly", and every teflon pistol "Assault Weapon", and how about the dummies that call certain bullets "Cop Killers" as if thats the intent of the manufacturers. So why all of a sudden do you accept the narration for gospel.
Instead of locking your doors, why not just be courteous and move your car a foot or two to let the guy in or out? Do you really think locking your door is going to stop someone with real rage from throwing a brick in your face through the window?
Did he mean to push the sister to the ground or was he in fact defending his personal space (she also assaulted and battered him). Big guys don't need to use all that much strength to push a smaller person off their feet, maybe that was a small shove for him and he had no intention of causing her to go airborne.
Last off, TV reporters will say anything to make their reports sensational, we all love those reporters that call every handgun "Deadly", and every teflon pistol "Assault Weapon", and how about the dummies that call certain bullets "Cop Killers" as if thats the intent of the manufacturers. So why all of a sudden do you accept the narration for gospel.
Instead of locking your doors, why not just be courteous and move your car a foot or two to let the guy in or out? Do you really think locking your door is going to stop someone with real rage from throwing a brick in your face through the window?
Pepper46
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You say that as if she started everything, but I agree she should have.
As far as her involvement, she did start everything. The situatuion with her brother had de-escelated, and the Dr. was leaving.
Looks like he is the one who should get the protective order.
As far as her involvement, she did start everything. The situatuion with her brother had de-escelated, and the Dr. was leaving.
Looks like he is the one who should get the protective order.
Mannlicher
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I would bet that there was more going on here than was reported....................
thebaldguy
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Lock the doors. I always avoid confrontations over a spot. It's not worth it. You never know what will happen with the nuts out there. Road rage has resulted in deaths.
Leave and avoid a confrontation. Call the police.
Leave and avoid a confrontation. Call the police.
plexreticle
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If everybody carried a gun stuff like this would be a rare event.
Why in the world would you think that? Do you think the presence of a firearm or the fear of getting shot is enough to quell stressed out people with violent tempers?
I hate to tell you, but people lose their tempers and when it happens it doesn't matter how many guns are present. They still lose their tempers and act out.
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frank23185
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Is pepper spray legal in White Plains, NY?
I have found that to be a great de-escalator.
I have found that to be a great de-escalator.
Jeff22
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paper trail
Advice from PAX: "A protection order is good for something. Something important, even.
It establishes a paper trail documenting who the good guy is and who the bad guy is. If she ever needs to physically defend herself against this man, her legal position will be much stronger and her case much easier to present with the order in place."
Exactly!!
If you are involved in a neighbor dispute, a potential stalking situation, receive threats, or something similar, at least consider calling the local cops and making an information report.
I end up taking reports like this all the time. In 90+% of the cases, one incident is the end of the problem, and so the report sits in the file and nobody ever looks at it again, and so what? In the other instances, getting information on events recorded contemporaneously with their occurance may be very important. Hint: if you get threatened, please don't wait 10 days to report it because "I didn't know what to do."
Okay, that being said, not all cops are professionals and motivated and sometimes you may run into a situation where the cop that arrives to take your information report acts un-interested or actually becomes belligerant because you want them to take a report. I don't know how things are where you live because I don't live where you live. However, if you received really poor service, it would be worth following up with a supervisor.
A protection order or restraining order or domestic abuse injunction (or whatever the term might be in your state) does provide the cops with some additional enforcement options should the need arise. You still have to exercise due regard for your own safety. Keep the doors locked, pay attention, maintain situational awareness, keep a fully charged cell phone on your person, consider other defensive options as appropriate.
Advice from PAX: "A protection order is good for something. Something important, even.
It establishes a paper trail documenting who the good guy is and who the bad guy is. If she ever needs to physically defend herself against this man, her legal position will be much stronger and her case much easier to present with the order in place."
Exactly!!
If you are involved in a neighbor dispute, a potential stalking situation, receive threats, or something similar, at least consider calling the local cops and making an information report.
I end up taking reports like this all the time. In 90+% of the cases, one incident is the end of the problem, and so the report sits in the file and nobody ever looks at it again, and so what? In the other instances, getting information on events recorded contemporaneously with their occurance may be very important. Hint: if you get threatened, please don't wait 10 days to report it because "I didn't know what to do."
Okay, that being said, not all cops are professionals and motivated and sometimes you may run into a situation where the cop that arrives to take your information report acts un-interested or actually becomes belligerant because you want them to take a report. I don't know how things are where you live because I don't live where you live. However, if you received really poor service, it would be worth following up with a supervisor.
A protection order or restraining order or domestic abuse injunction (or whatever the term might be in your state) does provide the cops with some additional enforcement options should the need arise. You still have to exercise due regard for your own safety. Keep the doors locked, pay attention, maintain situational awareness, keep a fully charged cell phone on your person, consider other defensive options as appropriate.
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100% of the time, no. 99% of the time, Yes
People tend to push each other around and bully less when there is a good chance they will take an ass kicking or be shot.
An armed society is a polite society
geronimotwo
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if for no other reason, it removes those with a road rage problem from the gene pool.
i think if i knew that everyone i dealt with were likely to be packin', i would learn to be very polite.
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as far as the rest of the situation, my sympathy's are not with the doctor. he took an annoyance and turned it into an assualt.
protection of property, and family, would seem to be just cause for the womans reaction.
i really like how the doctor had the peace of mind to remove his armone' (sp?) jacket. that shows real rage involved .
these incidents are so much fun to pick apart, but we all know fear and anger often remove reason.
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Double Naught Spy
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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=301829&highlight=armed+society+polite
No, it is not. The is a feel good myth of gun owners adopted from a book about a fictional society.
Of course if you have some stats that prove arming a society makes the society more polite, I am willing to read and learn, but thusfar, nobody has proven this point.
geronimotwo
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i'm sure that a study could be implemented to prove this very point. unfortunatly i'm sure a study could be done to disprove the theory as well. it's like looking at the brady website, versus this one. the same stats, with biased interpretation, can be used to defend both sides of an argument.
sorry about the hijack.
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thats one almost no
geronimotwo
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of course that means the doctor would have a gun also.
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That is a really good policy. The last time I got into a confrontation over a parking spot was about 15 years ago. I was backing into a parallel spot, and this little import car zipped in behind me and tried to steal it. I gave them a few hand gestures, and they moved to another spot across the street while I backed into the space.
Then SEVEN guys got out of this little car, all between the ages of about 18 to 25, and they were looking to kick my butt. And then another car showed up with three more friends, who also wanted to kick my butt without even knowing why. Talk about pack mentality. I was totally surrounded, and freaking out on the inside, but somehow managed to keep my composure, mostly.
The cops were on their way, thanks to an observant neighbor, but I didn't know that, and they were more than a few minutes away anyway. I had to do a real song-and-dance to get out of there with all of my teeth. As it was, they were pelting my truck with rocks as I drove off.
Was I packing? No. Would I have pulled if I was? Probably not, unless they had already started beating on me. I got out of there with a few dings on my truck, and some seriously wounded pride, but no injuries or charges.
I learned some real lessons that night, about not messing with people, and about not making assumptions, and about picking my battles.
Always a good idea to lock your doors as soon as you enter vehicle. I grew up in NYC and in the 70s it was common for bad guys to walk up to cars stopped at lights and open the doors to rob and sometimes carjack the victim. Another good idea is to always leave enough room between your car and the car in front of you at a stoplight. It allows you to be able to drive away if a situation like this presents itself.
To my mind once this woman advanced toward the doctor in a threatening manner he was within his rights to keep her from assaulting him. Picture this same scenario where the confrontation had been between two men. Without a doubt it would be perceived "differently" by onlookers. We've all been conditioned to "never strike a woman" but who's to say she didn't have a weapon. Her actions are completely out of character for the "fairer sex" so who's to say what her intentions could have been. Any LEO in a similar situation would tell you likewise, that is, where assault is concerned 'gender' does NOT give a woman special dispensation and BOTH would be subject to the same charges. As to question of whether any of the parties involved acted in a "prudent manner...well, all involved IMO were horse's Ar$$es.
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"To my mind once this woman advanced toward the doctor in a threatening manner he was within his rights to keep her from assaulting him. "
its good of you to qualify it with "in your mind" in the street and on the video it seemed like the doc first opened the door and pulled her brother out then after failing in whatever his goal was and moving away she confronted him when he returned.the doc tries it in va hes gonna get a real bad hair day
she was not outa line to assume he was renewing his assault
as to what he claims they call him i suspect bs he never made it an issue on the video. and where i come from we say "if your gonna play the game learn to wear the name
its good of you to qualify it with "in your mind" in the street and on the video it seemed like the doc first opened the door and pulled her brother out then after failing in whatever his goal was and moving away she confronted him when he returned.the doc tries it in va hes gonna get a real bad hair day
she was not outa line to assume he was renewing his assault
as to what he claims they call him i suspect bs he never made it an issue on the video. and where i come from we say "if your gonna play the game learn to wear the name
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