Steve Smith
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Zak, my friendly counterpoint is that we don't do it for the monetary awards. We do it for what those trophies mean.
Long Range .308, what scope to buy?
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Zak Smith
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Fair enough. I wasn't sure what goalie was getting at.
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goalie
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I was basically rhetorically asking how many matches at Perry use a scope. I was not making a statement about the prizes, just the fact that you can shoot dozens of different matches at the national matches every year without a scope, and if you only shoot with a scope, well...........
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Andrew Wyatt
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National matches bear little resemblance to actual combat.
Field rifle events are considerably better in that regard.
Field rifle events are considerably better in that regard.
goalie
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I was replying to someone specifically mentioning the national matches with this post:
I fully understand the use of a riflescope as an aid to long-range shooting. I also fully understand the importance of a good, solid, repeatable shooting position as well. I have seen what a stock, off the rack M16 can do with irons at 600 meters on a windy day with the right Marine on the trigger. Steve Smith has a very valid point that if one learns to shoot accurately at long range with iron sights, the things learned will have huge benefits when transferred over to shooting with a scope.
You can never be too good at the basics.
Steve Smith
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Add to that that a large majority of Marine snipers have been gleaned from the Highpower ranks and its value becomes more apparent. Learning to use an upgraded service rifle very well, at distance, with iron sights makes one much deadlier when equipped with a point-and-shoot.
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ZAK
What loads are you using in your AR-10? Is that an AR-10T or something custom? Looks like a different barrel than my 10T. Anyone you know have successful results with handloads using Hornady's 178gr. Molly AMAX? I am considering trying to load some of my own match stuff and am looking for a recommended load to start with.
Thanks,
I.C.
What loads are you using in your AR-10? Is that an AR-10T or something custom? Looks like a different barrel than my 10T. Anyone you know have successful results with handloads using Hornady's 178gr. Molly AMAX? I am considering trying to load some of my own match stuff and am looking for a recommended load to start with.
Thanks,
I.C.
Zak Smith
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IC,
My AR10 was built by JP Enterprises, so it uses their "lightweight" barrel. 20".
The only handloads I've shot in this rifle are 125gr Ballistic Tips. It shoots FGMM 168 very well so I've been sticking with that.
Most people I know shooting 308 use either BH168, BH175, or equivalent handloads using the SMK. If I were to load match 308, I'd stick with the standard accuracy loads and bullets that everyone else uses... it usually saves a lot of R&D time, and then I can make the small adjustments (OAL & charge) for my rifle.
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My AR10 was built by JP Enterprises, so it uses their "lightweight" barrel. 20".
The only handloads I've shot in this rifle are 125gr Ballistic Tips. It shoots FGMM 168 very well so I've been sticking with that.
Most people I know shooting 308 use either BH168, BH175, or equivalent handloads using the SMK. If I were to load match 308, I'd stick with the standard accuracy loads and bullets that everyone else uses... it usually saves a lot of R&D time, and then I can make the small adjustments (OAL & charge) for my rifle.
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molonlabe
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Well I didn't follow my own advice but I purchased this for 418.00. Missed the sale.
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/430426
The optics are impressive and as clear and as sharp as my variX II. It's packed with features found on scopes twice as much. If your on a budget then this may be the way to go. I will mount it this weekend and give a report in a couple of weeks if you like. The sale ends end of Sept.
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The front of the scope is 54.3mm because of the parallax adjustment ring. Keep in mind when replacing scope rings. I intend to lap the rings this weekend and it’s going on a M77 MarkIIVT in .308.
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/430426
The optics are impressive and as clear and as sharp as my variX II. It's packed with features found on scopes twice as much. If your on a budget then this may be the way to go. I will mount it this weekend and give a report in a couple of weeks if you like. The sale ends end of Sept.
Additional info
The front of the scope is 54.3mm because of the parallax adjustment ring. Keep in mind when replacing scope rings. I intend to lap the rings this weekend and it’s going on a M77 MarkIIVT in .308.
molonlabe
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I was able to push 1/2 moa from the Ruger M77 MarkIIVT this weekend. I'm sure it can probably do better. The scope was consistent with 1/8 in increments, repeatable and clear. I think it is the best purchase I have made this year. You said you were on a budget which seemed to be lost in the thread so I don't think you can go wrong with this scope. I did lap the rings and I was surprised with this day of CNC machines how poor the Ruger rings were. I had about 20% contact on the lower rings and I worked about three hours to achieve 80~ 85 % contact. All in all it was a good range day. I give this scope 4 stars.
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