Long Range Rifle/Scope/PRS question(s)

Linearity is an odd duck, for me. If I take 5 certified weights, place them one at a time on the scale, the precision should be +/- 0.001g.

Then when I place the weights on the scale together (in any combination which negates actual weight variability stacking), the readout might be 0.002 higher or lower than expected at different magnitudes.

In other words, you might not get a perfectly “linear” output if you add a linear progression of weights. It might read a little high at 30g, a little low at 60, dead on at 90, and a little low again at 120grams, within that 0.002g linearity spec. A 60g measured load might not actually be exactly half of a 120grn measured load.

If you weigh the same 50g weight (50.000, for sake of argument) 100 times, it should never show more than 50.001 or less than 49.999 if calibrated with a 50.000 check weight. If calibrated with a 100.000, you could consistently be reading 49.998, as high as 49.999, and as low as 49.997 (extreme end of the 0.002 linearity. But put two on the scale, and you might find a pair of weights which can’t exceed 50.001 each will weigh 100.004. Why? Because the scale may “drift” from 50 to 100, such it’s off by +/-0.002.

So the precision is the “repeatability.” Linearity is the margin for drift around non-calibration values. The the same weight would never read 50.002 and 49.998 (50+/-0.002), but it could read 49.997-49.999 (linearity error 0.002 down error from 50.000, then precision within +/-0.001gram).

Here’s a picture below. For the sake of argument, the calibration should lock the red curve to the blue line at the calibration weight points. Outside of those points, the linearity could bobble above or below “perfect linearity”. So what you know here: a measured 50grn load might not actually be perfectly 1/2 of a measured 100grn load - within 0.002g. But if you measure 100 50grn loads 100 times each, you know they will all be within 49.999 and 50.001.

The real take away, for me, is to calibrate with weights near my charge weights, and to use the same balance and same check weights for my load development and my bulk loading.

For reloading, however, it’s less critical. Do your load work up on the same scale, and calibrate with the same check weights, and you’d be falling in the same zone of linearity “error” for every batch loaded.

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So the precision is the “repeatability.” Linearity is the margin for drift around non-calibration values. The the same weight would never read 50.002 and 49.998 (50+/-0.002), but it could read 49.997-49.999 (linearity error 0.002 down error from 50.000, then precision within +/-0.001gram).
A good way to put it.
The real take away, for me, is to calibrate with weights near my charge weights, and to use the same balance and same check weights for my load development and my bulk loading.
That has always been the advise when using digital scales.
 
That has always been the advise when using digital scales.

Might be surprising, but I’ve worked with experienced PhD chemists and microbiologists who are convinced it is best to calibrate in wide span, multipoint, regardless of what your target/dosage weight might be. Unwittingly, they’re focusing value on linearity truth across the span, and sacrificing local truth.
 
I’ve worked with experienced PhD chemists and microbiologists who are convinced it is best to calibrate in wide span, multipoint,
Might be best for them, dunno, but the advise for inexpensive scales and reloading is use a check weight near the charge weight. Always seemed to make sense to me. make sure it is accurate in that range.
 
The shoot this weekend at Altus has been moved to Dec 14th, so since I have some time I am going to load some rounds with Varget. I have been using RL-15 and it has shot well, but my ES is over what folks seem to get with Varget. I only have a part of a pound, so if I like it, I would need to buy an 8 pounder. I would like to try N140 as well, but the powder/primer fellow hasn't had any at the last two shows. Need to bump up the RL-15 a bit and see if the ES goes down as well.

That scale/trickler setup is very tempting. Y'all are serious enablers. :)
 
9-10 seconds per charge, single kernel precision, and 100% accuracy, versus ~30-35 seconds per charge, +/-.1grn precision, and 5-10% (or worse) incorrect charges with Lyman, Hornady, and RCBS dispensers.

The high price sucks. The high performance rocks.
 
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I heard the same on another forum about Varget. That particular rumor, fortunately, it was based on statements made by some big box hunting store clerk who had said he read about Varget supply being interrupted because of a fire at the over-seas production plant... which was an old new story from a few years ago. In calling Hodgdon directly, there wasn’t a fire a few years ago, wasn’t a fire recently, wasn’t a Trump international embargo or tariff. They wouldn’t share dates, but are expecting multiple shipments TO them before the end of the year, and they’re shipping and receiving as they normally do. Midsouth got a shipment from Hodgdon two weeks ago, and they sent a few hundred pounds to Powder Valley last week.

The problem is increased demand, partially because so many high volume shooting competitors switched to BR based cartridges this year, and partially because supply problem rumors are flying.

So a guy at Gap Grind had heard some rumors, and bought 8x 8 lb jugs from the Midsouth booth because he’s scared shelves might run dry... that’s at LEAST 4 barrels in 6 Dasher, more likely 6 barrels. About 15,000 rounds in Dasher or 223 - at least a couple YEARS of shooting for that guy, hell, 10 years for a lot of club shooters, maybe even 15 years! And when guys hear a rumor and hear about other shooters stocking up like that, they panic purchase more than they really need for their next year or so of shooting too, and then the majority of us find empty shelves... it was H4350 the year before last...

Two is one, one is none. I like having two bullets for each rifle, two powders for each rifle, and two rifles which don’t share. If you’re panic buying Varget for a Dasher, panic buy H4895 too, then you will never have to panic.
 
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I’m keeping myself on the angry side of the rumor mill, just to keep myself from buying 5x 8lbers when I order instead of 3. If I keep reminding myself they’re just rumors, I won’t contribute to creating a problem! :uhoh:

I was itching a little after reading the “plant burned down” rumor. Itching more after I heard about the guy at Grind buying 64lbs. REALLY started itching when I read your thread today, so I called. Talking to Luke at Hodgdon today helped calm me down again...

At least for a few more days...
 
9-10 seconds per charge, single kernel precision, and 100% accuracy, versus ~30-35 seconds per charge, +/-.1grn precision, and 5-10% (or worse) incorrect charges with Lyman, Hornady, and RCBS dispensers.

The high price sucks. The high performance rocks.
Which one?
 
Walkalong, there’s a group on Facebook for precision powder dispensers.
 
I guess one of these days I'll get on Facebook, can't get away from it.....
 
The MPA BA PMR Compettion & Competition "Ready" rifles looks like good values and another quality option to get started in PRS
Well I did it, I ordered one. Tungsten, 6 Creed, RH. Paid the deposit, they say 8 to 12 weeks on the web site. I'll see if they will let me pay some more along the way (Pay days of course.) I've paid off everything else (Two rifles, two scopes, rings, brakes, bags, mags...), ended up selling a dozen guns.
 
Well I did it, I ordered one. Tungsten, 6 Creed, RH. Paid the deposit, they say 8 to 12 weeks on the web site. I'll see if they will let me pay some more along the way (Pay days of course.) I've paid off everything else (Two rifles, two scopes, rings, brakes, bags, mags...), ended up selling a dozen guns.

dang!!!
 
It will postpone the scale/trickle purchase for sure. More tedious weighing charges in my future. :)
 
Not to pick nits... but isn’t that THREE rifles?

By my count, you own a Seekins, an Impact, and now an MPA... or are we claiming plausible deniability, since you donated the Seekins to another shooter? :neener:
 
I have not gotten a confirmation email, I need to call them in the AM. Jeff at work asked if I had a barrel vise, he is thinking of getting a pre-fit for the Axiom action he just bought.

A pic of my old barrel vice, and action wrench for a left port action. I never torqued a Benchrest barrel, just snug it up, back off a tad, and give the wrench a good whack. That is how we did them. I'll torque any of these we do.

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