Looking at 16ga

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So I was looking around the shop at work and found a box of 16 gauge shells. Since the guy that used to shoot them is long gone they gave me the ammo. I've had worse reasons to buy another gun. What can you guys tell me about this gauge? I'm not terribly worried about availability of ammo as I'm already gearing up for reloading 410 so what's one more press?
 
The 16 was THE upland bore many years ago and is a great gun/bore combo when it is built on either a true 16 or even a 20 sized frame. The issue is many folks built them on a 12 bore frame which made too heavy for bore size. What really killed the 16 was the advent of the 3" 20 bore. Lighter guns, equal load and ballistics really hurt the 16. Add in that skeet became a 4 gauge game of 12, 20, 28 and 410 and the 16 faded away for quite a while. There has always been a small dedicated hard core group of 16 ga aficionados : http://www.16ga.com/

Because it isn't as popular, factory loadings are limited and target loads are basically non-existent; with hunting in many ares going to non-tox, that makes it even harder to find.

Add in a slew of older guns with 2-9/16" chambers, not 2-3/4" and ammo can be hard to find regularly, so your option about reloading is spot on.
Great gauge for pheasant, grouse, turkey etc.
 
Some tech guy will be along. I have an 1897 in 16ga that I enjoy shooting very much. I find Fiocchi ammo easy to find.
I have a 20 and a 12 and have no difficulty with any. However, I think I would be in trouble with 28 or 410.
 
Speaking of chamber length, does the 16 come in the same 2 3/4, 3, 3 1/2 as 12ga or is it just the 2 3/4?
My enabling friend happened to be at Cabela's when I told him I was thinking of a 16 and he checked for me. Looks like they mainly have SxS Zastavas. Never heard of that company, stay away or take a closer look?
 
Because it isn't as popular, factory loadings are limited and target loads are basically non-existent; with hunting in many ares going to non-tox, that makes it even harder to find.
You can find any loading you want, even non tox, on line, but I can get target loads at wally world, they do run a buck or two a box more than 20's though.

I've been shooting 16ga. since I was a kid, and as my "go to gun" is a 16ga., I have put a lot of meat in my freezer with it.

DM
 
I don’t currently own a 16 gauge but have a soft spot for them, I’m sure because I grew up using an ancient Montgomery Wards 16 gauge SxS. Which was stolen when I was in college.

16 gauge doesn’t come in 3” and 3.5”.

My experience with Zastava firearms is they are built like tanks, very tough. They can be nicely finished or rough depending on the price point a distributor wants to pay. If rough they can be slicked up easily. I’ve never seen a Zastava shotgun but wouldn’t be surprised if they are built like the original SKB shotguns-which is good.
 
Speaking of chamber length, does the 16 come in the same 2 3/4, 3, 3 1/2 as 12ga or is it just the 2 3/4?
They came in 2 1/2", 2 9/16", and 2 3/4. If you have a gun chambered for 2 1/2" or 2 9/16", RST makes the shells; to quote an old cigarette commercial: "Outstanding-and they are mild!"
http://www.rstshells.com/store/m/3-16-Gauge.aspx

Zastava has a good reputation-it was the government arsenal when that area was still Yugoslavia.
 
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WAAAAAAY back when, some 3" 16 ga's were built and a limited amount of ammo for them...

For years after, many guns were chambered for 3" ammo, but were marked 2-3/4", and no modern 3" ammo was made...

DM
 
I don’t currently own a 16 gauge but have a soft spot for them, I’m sure because I grew up using an ancient Montgomery Wards 16 gauge SxS. Which was stolen when I was in college.

16 gauge doesn’t come in 3” and 3.5”.

My experience with Zastava firearms is they are built like tanks, very tough. They can be nicely finished or rough depending on the price point a distributor wants to pay. If rough they can be slicked up easily.
 
the only 16 ga I own right now is a 1950,s Winchester model 12 and I think its built on a 20 ga frame. I guess I should take it hunting this season. I mostly use a 20 ga browning BSS sporter double barrel for small game using 2-3/4 shells with 1-1/8 # 6 shot.
 
So how do I go about checking what size frame a shotgun is built on? My experience with scatterguns to this point is limited to 12ga and 410 so pretty easy to tell between those two.
 
The 16 is a fine upland gun. Yes, the variety of ammo is limited but there is enough that the birds won't know the difference.
I have a Model 12 in 16 gauge, very nice gun. For a new 16 that won't break the bank, check out the Browning BPS. It is a nice pump gun built with the same receiver as the 20 & 28 gauge models.
 
So how do I go about checking what size frame a shotgun is built on? My experience with scatterguns to this point is limited to 12ga and 410 so pretty easy to tell between those two.

If you dont have the specific knowledge of a particular gun line the relative weight should give you a general idea. A 16 gauge that's 2 lbs lighter than the 12 and only 1/2 lb heavier than the same gun in 20 is probably scaled to the gauge. It is a matter of feel too.

I can tell you what I know about classic American doubles but not modern shotguns. Foxes are all scaled to the gauge. Lefevers 12's are their own frame, 16 and 20 gauge Lefevers are built on the same frame. Parker Brothers had several different frame sizes iin 12 gauge alone. A little research on what you are looking at should give you an idea of what you should actually hold and check out.

I'm pretty sure that the 1100 auto was made in a 20 gauge light version. But all of that information should be available on the internet.
 
I'm pretty sure that the 1100 auto was made in a 20 gauge light version. But all of that information should be available on the internet.
Both the 16ga 1100 and 870 were made on the 12 frame and are heavy, ok if you want to shoot clays or doves and don't need to walk for miles.
Browning makes the new A5 Sweet Sixteen on a small frame that weighs under 6 lbs, they also make the Citori and BPS on 20ga frames.
 
I should have just stayed with the old stuff. But the below American Rifleman article is the source off my statement. I found it while researching a shotgun for my wife who needs a lighter gun. But injury ended that search early.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2013/7/23/gentlemen-this-is-the-new-model-1100/

"Through 1969, all 20-gauge Model 1100s were built on the 12-gauge receiver. A Lightweight version with a mahogany stock was offered, but it still weighed only a few ounces less than a 12-gauge gun. Skeet shooters absolutely loved the weight for its reduction in recoil, and even today those guns bring a premium on the used gun market, if one can find one.

The standard 12-gauge Model 1100 weighed 7 pounds, 8 ounces, while the magnum version weighed a quarter-pound more. Target shooters and hunters were quite happy with those weights but most hunters considered the 20-gauge gun on the 12-gauge receiver heavier than necessary. And since hunters were buying far more shotguns than were clay target shooters, the Lightweight 20 on the 28/.410 receiver was introduced in 1970.......

........Jay Bunting of Remington, who shot skeet with 1100s for many years, recently pointed out to me that the Lightweight 20 was made in two versions. The LW-20 offered from 1970 to 1976 had a short barrel extension much like the Model 870, while the LT-20, which replaced it in 1977, had a standard-length extension with integral ejection stud and an enlarged ejection port. Both versions were originally chambered only for the 2 ¾-inch shell, but in 1971 the LT became available with a 3-inch chamber."

Actual weights were never mentioned and I made 2 assumptions. That the LW on the 28/410 frame was lighter and that the LT was still on the 28/410 frame.
 
I have three 16 gauge shotguns: a Lefever double cut down to a 20” coach gun (badly pitted at the end of the bore so I had it cut off), a 28”full choke- solid rib Model 12, and a 26” BPS with vent rib/choke tubes. I find the 16 to be perfect for everything but heavy waterfowl hunting. I’d rather use a 12 ga 3” or 3.5” mag over a 16 ga 2 3/4” load for better pattern density for waterfowl due to size and the often extended ranges.

I find 16 ga Federal ammo at Wal mart works for most clays and quail/dove shooting and I can order most other shot sizes if they’re not found on the shelf. It’s not $5 per-box, but 16 ga is also not the $15 -$18 per box that I often pay for 3” .410 loads for my 1100.

Stay safe.
 
I have never fired a 16 gauge. However, one of my grandpa's only firearms is an old Savage 58 bolt gun that's well over 60 years old.

He's not a big man, but he said the old 16 gauge filled the stew pot with rabbit many o' times. He always told my mom it was "chicken" so she didn't cry over Peter Cottontail. He said the gun didn't seem to beat him up much, but he didn't have anything to compare it with. Im not sure if he ever fired a 12 gauge in his 93 years. He never had much reason to shoot one as rabbits and birds don't require such firepower, and shooting for recreation was never anything he saw much use for.

He's very frail and hasn't shot a gun in over 30 years. My guess is that old 58 hasn't had a shell through it since Kennedy was in office. Still it seems pretty well made and will most likely pass down to me when he passed. I don't think I will ever fire it, but it's a neat old utility grade workhorse.
 
So checked a handful of the local gun adoption centers and most all the used 16 are in really rough shape, some rusted to the point I'd be surprised if they were safe to shoot still. A buddy sent me a link to a TriStar O/U that is around $500 which is in my price range. Any advice buying a TriStar? I'm not opposed to waiting and saving up either as it won't be till winter I'll start reloading shotshell and I can make this hunting season work with my 12 and 410.
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/tri...-stock-semi-gloss-finish/FC-713780333083.html
 
You might try a Model 12 Winchester. I have one in 16 gauge and its built on a scaled action. Its one of my favorite guns for small game hunting, since its so light and slick. They can be had for under 500 usually. Check guns international, they have an ample stock.

Mac
 
So checked a handful of the local gun adoption centers and most all the used 16 are in really rough shape, some rusted to the point I'd be surprised if they were safe to shoot still. A buddy sent me a link to a TriStar O/U that is around $500 which is in my price range. Any advice buying a TriStar? I'm not opposed to waiting and saving up either as it won't be till winter I'll start reloading shotshell and I can make this hunting season work with my 12 and 410.
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/tri...-stock-semi-gloss-finish/FC-713780333083.html
Tristar is the same comapany that makes the canik c100 tanfo clone i carry. If the shotty is made as well its worth it. My only 16 is an eastern arms single shot a friend gave me. I have bagged everything from ducks to squirells qith rabits in between. Many times when all the other ammo is gone 16 is still in stock.
 
I have 2 16s. One is a Springfield double. The other one is a Savage copy of the Browning A5.

I had no interest in the 16 gauge but when my great uncle died I helped retail his guns for the estate. I wanted one of his guns as a keepsake. The Savage was old and odd so I bought it

I did not shoot it but a few weeks later some friends invited me to come to their farm for an informal session of trap shooting
Out of curiosity I brought the Savage.

Low and behold I broke 20 out of 25. I was in love. The 16 is easier on the shoulder than a 12 yet still effective.

Used Auto 5 guns are available in the 16 for reasonable prices due to lower demand. You would be hard pressed to find a better upland game auto than a Browning Sweet 16.

IronHand
 
I've got a 1927 Lefever Nitro Special 16 gauge. My favorite shotgun. I think its the same small size as the 20 gauge guns. It had the short chambers of the day. I had a gunsmith lengthen the chambers & forcing cones to accept modern length shells. I have no problems buying 16 gauge shells locally.

II think its the same small size as the 20 gauge guns. I see lots of 16 gauge double that are too heavy...seems like they are the same size as 12 gauge doubles.

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