Looters

[feedthehogs]

Had a Tornado come thru Riviera Beach Florida today at 5:15PM.
No power in the city, blocked off by cops, mayor declared a disaster area.
No one allowed in. Locals looting.

Sitting at my business with the backup generator going and patroling the Marina to make sure the locals don't come near.

Open carrying a 1911 on my side and a Benelli M1 slung around my shoulder.

Was hasseled somewhat by the cops for open carrying.
I quickly reminded them that rather than corner someone and maybe have to shoot, open carry should be a detterant.

I also reminded them about the riots in LA and the only stores not looted were protected by owners with guns.

They left but would check in from time to time.

Long night ahead.

Glad to live in America!

 

[veloce851]

Sorry to hear about your tornado woes.

Unfortunetly some looting took place after the most recent tornadoes that hit Wyandotte county earlier this spring.

There were a few residents that had to stand watch armed.
And one guy, mentioned in the local media, chased off some looters from a neighbor's home.

 

[Kharn]

Feedthehogs:
Good luck with the looters, do you have any employees that can take shifts with you?

Kharn

 

[Combat-wombat]

Sorry to hear about the tornado and the looting. Glad to hear you're safe and armed. If you have an AK or an AR or some other hi-cap gun, I might suggest that as well.

 

[feedthehogs]

Well its been a long night.

Had to chase a few locals away but multiple LEO agencys have the city locked down real tight with a curfew till 7am. Arrest on site if out, no questions asked.

Gotta hand it to the local disaster agencys. Practicing for the hurricanes seems to have paid off. Very good response. Still without power.

Looks like no one was killed or seriously was hurt.

Much damage. News says it was an F1, 200 yards wide and on the ground for 3 miles.

 

[foghornl]

Anytime there is any sort of disaster, SHTF, etc, the looters wil come out.

Case in point...Charleston, SC, Sept 21-22, 1989 Hurricane Hugo. There were reports that some locals looted the fancy downtown stores during the "eye" of Hugo. There were also some unconfirmed reports that 1 or 2 did not make it back to cover before the back wall of Hugo came ashore.

 

[greyhound]

What reason did the police have for hassling open carry? I thought in most places open carry was OK if you were the business owner?

As I have said here before, my worry about Islamic terrorism isn't with the terrorists themselves, its with the lowlife out looting to take advantage of the confusion after an attack.

 

[Kharn]

Greyhound:
Florida abolished open carry as a compromise to get shall-issue CCW.

Kharn

 

[Steve in PA]

Many states probably have a law concerning the carrying of firearms during emergencies.......such as this one in PA.

PACC 6107- Prohibited Conduct During Emergency.
No person shall carry a firearms, rifle or shotgun upon the public streets or upon any public property during an emergency proclaimed by a state or municipal governmental executive unless that person is;
(1) Actively engaged in a defense of that persons life or property from peril or threat.
(2) Licensed to carry firearms under section 6109 (relating to licenses) or is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license)

So in PA......one could do what you are doing to protect themselves and their property. Doesn't specify open carry.......but PA is an open carry state.....although you will probably be checked out by a LEO should he see you.

 

[4v50 Gary]

In the wake of the Great Earthquake & Fire of 1906, Mayor Schmidt of San Francisco, who was a better orchestra leader than mayor, issued a proclamation warning people that the police, special police and soldiers were authorized to shoot. Human nature hasn't changed but politics and values have. Ahhh, for the good old days...

 

[geekWithA.45]

FeedTheHogs (& everyone else down there)

Sorry bout the natural disaster, glad it's working out for ya.

Looting's a fairly consistent problem for any fluid situation. Just about the only disaster that didn't feature looting as a component was 9/11.

 

[foghornl]

Just about the only disaster that didn't feature looting as a component was 9/11.

True, the looting was later, as various scumbags set up bogus charities to do some "looting" from the goodwill and compassion of the American People.

 

[greyhound]

. A lot of kids today are aping this whole gangbanga, hip-hop thing... and frankly, if you dress like a criminal people will treat you like a criminal. I think that's fair since a stranger has nothing else to go on except how you present yourself to the world.

I guess I thought he was inside his place of business, kinda like the workers in the gun shops sometimes carry. Oops.

And as for looting on 9/11, it was just so intense, I guess even low life looters have a point where they chill. Next time, though, I don't think they will restrain themselves again.

 

[DMK]

Many states probably have a law concerning the carrying of firearms during emergencies.......such as this one in PA.

Here in NC, you aren't allowed to carry a weapon off your property during a state of emergency. Not open, concealed, with or without a permit. I'd imagine having a weapon at a place of business would be OK with owner's permision, but you'd be illegal transporting it there.

I can appreciate that one should probably dig in at home and protect the family, but what if you were forced to relocate the family to a family or friend's house? What if you had to retrieve or help somebody?

Pretty stupid law.

 

[shooten]

Good luck feedthehogs. Protect you and yours.

Scott

 

[Benjamin]

Wait a minute. Natural disaster. Power out.

You or someone fires up the backup generator. Looters are out & about, you're carrying and keeping a lookout. And you take time to post here about it?

Glad no one gave you serious trouble, and that the local relief workers responded well.

 

[ajacobs]

IT is not like it is a store and he is standing outside the front door trying to look like a mall ninja. From his first post it looks like he has a marina. A buisness that is outdoors with boats probally some of which cannot really be secured. I think you were a little harsh.

 

[greyhound]

but what if you were forced to relocate the family to a family or friend's house? What if you had to retrieve or help somebody?

My plan for SHTF is to gather up the GF and pets and head out to my folks far. I'll be darned if I'm leaving my guns behind, and if NC has such a law, I don't even have to look - I'm sure Maryland does and its probably even more restrictive.

I understand why they have such a law- its the same reasoning that banning guns stops crime, i.e. if no guns are allowed out there will be no looting.

I guess I will have to count on LE using common sense in seeing the difference between a gangsta looking to "get over", and a citizen seeking to protect themself in an emergency.

 

[feedthehogs]

Everything turned out well.

Some looters were arrested, but thanks to quick response from law enforcement and their arrest on site policy, most I guess stayed away.

Cops came and checked on me thru out the night. After the first not sure how to take my stance, they supported my efforts to protect property.

Made rounds around the marina every twenty minutes.
In between watching the news and hitting the internet.

Anytime tractor trailers get thrown 100 yards and thru buildings, it makes for a interesting site.

Again, hats off to local authorities. Very professional.

 

[Weaps]

I think the cops should be commended as they were doing their job. (contacting you!) You on the other hand weren't. I think for you to "take matters into your own hands" and patrol around as if Al Quida just landed was irresponsible on your part. I mean, it was a tornado fer christ sake! Carrying openly with a tactical shotgun slung over your shoulder? You pistol in plain sight?

Because that's what you do when people are rioting and/or looting during a disaster. I lived in L.A. during the '92 riots, I carried a Combat Commander and a rifle and law enforcement didn't say a damn thing. That's assuming that there was any police around, which they weren't. The only contact I had with anything law enforcement related at that time was some private security for the law school behind the Wilshire blvd. computer store I was working at, and they responded by giving me some ammo! If you haven't been in a situation like that (and I'm not saying you weren't) you don't know what it is like to have thousands of people shedding their inhibitions and functioning under a mob mentality. It is scary, intense, and you do whatever you can to deter and survive. Granted, during a tornado aftermath you won't have people throwing molotov's, but when people get into that mob mentality all semblance of civilization goes out the window and they turn into animals. That is where you need to show that you have the ability to kill them, and with extreme predjudice.

There is no reasoning with a mob.

 

[TallPine]

(1) Actively engaged in a defense of that persons life or property from peril or threat.

Isn't that true of most of us here all the time...?

 

[10-Ring]

Sorry to hear about not only tornadoes but the looting you've had to deal with. During the LA riots, I drove my then wife to work in the city & saw first what 'mob rules' really means. Glad to hear that you're safe & your local authorities have things under control.

 

[OkieGentleman]

You would not believe the number of idiots that came into the disaster area here in Moore after the May 3rd 1999 tornado. An hour after the dust settled, people were trying to drive into the torn up areas to sight see. I directed traffic away from the area with a 45 on hip w/o clip for two hours.

 

[Azrael256]

Much damage. News says it was an F1, 200 yards wide and on the ground for 3 miles.

Zuh? "F1" and "much damage" in the same sentence? Sounds like your aeromancers are the exact opposite of the ones in OKC. We get an F2 and they call it an F5 before the storm even passes. Couldn't be F1 if there's a lot of damage.

 

[Sentry]

Had to chase a few locals away but multiple LEO agencys have the city locked down real tight with a curfew till 7am. Arrest on site if out, no questions asked.

That must have worked well for people with a real need to go somewhere. I bet lawyers would eat it up in court if a non looter got arrested, too.