M1 Garand - Chambered in .270 WCF or 6.5x55 SE...?

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Came across a thread at the CMP forum RE:

6.5x55 SE Garand project.

Said Criterion made the Bbl.

So I went lookin'.

Didn't find it, so it must have been a custom job, but I did find this:

M1 GARAND BARREL, 270 WIN - $245.50

Now, as most that know me will attest to, my prime bolt hunting rifles are all chambered in .270 Win., and my Battle Rifle of choice is the M1 Garand.


But a 150 gr. SP (or 140 gr. TSX) .270 WCF from a 24" M1 Garand?

...or even a 140 gr. SP 6.5x55 M1 Garand.

Should make a dandy field rifle.

Am I wrong about this?




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A 150 gr. 270 becomes a.......30-06.:)

Regards,
hps

That was my second thought on the .270 Win.

It would give ~ 180 gr. SP performance with 150 gr. recoil and ballistics, why I shoot the .270 WCF in the first place.

But the 165 SP (or 168 gr. TSX) 30-06 does a reasonable job of it, and from a 10.5# rifle, the recoil is not an issue for me.


However... the 6.5x55 SE would be a pussycat to shoot.

And it sounds like the CMP thread OP has the Bbl. port dia. sorted out so that the OEM gas system works.


you'd have to modify the gas system most likely, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't work.
I have no real interest in using a Garand as a field gun just because of the funky scope mountings they require, but it would sure be a neat project.

I can still shoot aperture sights reasonably well.

Fine for 2-300 yds hunting anyway.




GR
 
you'd have to modify the gas system most likely, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't work.
I have no real interest in using a Garand as a field gun just because of the funky scope mountings they require, but it would sure be a neat project.
Ultimak makes a nice picatinny rail that replaces the top front hand guard. No permanent modification and you can mount a scout scope. Certain low profile red dots cowitness with the irons. Been thinking about doing it with mine, but keeping it ‘06.
 
Ultimak makes a nice picatinny rail that replaces the top front hand guard. No permanent modification and you can mount a scout scope. Certain low profile red dots cowitness with the irons. Been thinking about doing it with mine, but keeping it ‘06.
I've looked at the ultimaks, wanted one for my mini, but forward mounted magnified optics really went my thing anymore.
The dot would be a good option, but they starburst bad for me, which limits effective range to about 100yds.
I still want a Garand but id probably stick with irons or a dot, and ranges under 100yds.
 
Always wanted a sporter garand, but molested M1’s are hard to come by, and I can’t bring myself to alter an originally configured gun.

I did see an FN-49 in .284 Winchester a while back but he wanted too much for it
 
FluffyTheCat: (CMP/OP)

Criterion currently manufactures AR-10 and M1A barrels in 6.5 Creedmoor. These 6.5 Creedmoor barrels have six grooves and a one turn in eight inch twist.

So it was a matter of taking a 6.5 barrel blank and running it through the Garand CNC program and chambering it for 6.5x55mm.

The 6.5x55mm is probably better suited for the Garand because it is longer and it fits so nicely in the longer action.

6.5 Creedmoor would work also but it operates at much higher pressures and barrel life would probably be less. The 6.5x55mm is an enduring classic and it is what the Garand should have been originally chambered in.

There's a large smörgåsbord of factory match ammo in this caliber and a 6.5x55mm Garand with a Schuster gas plug would be more fun than a barrel full of monkeys.

With the standard gas plug handloads using 123 grain bullets offer fantastic performance with Varget, IMR-4064 or H-4895.

Criterion may put the 6.5x55 into limited production as a Garand barrel and it all depends if the demand is there.

But take it from me--for pure shooting enjoyment nothing, but nothing beats a 6.5x55 Garand. The free recoil energy of a Garand in .276 Pedersen was calculated to be 7.25 foot pounds which was half that of the Garand in .30-06.
A 6.5x55mm Garand probably has a free recoil energy in the 7 to 8 pound range which is the same as a bolt action rifle chambered for the .22-250.




GR
 
I've looked at the ultimaks, wanted one for my mini, but forward mounted magnified optics really went my thing anymore.
The dot would be a good option, but they starburst bad for me, which limits effective range to about 100yds.
I still want a Garand but id probably stick with irons or a dot, and ranges under 100yds.

My Garand had been in quarantine for years due to the fact I could no longer see iron sights. Finally, I decided to do something about it. Read about the Ultimak, but 1) Not a fan of scout scopes and 2) Unsure of how they secure the mount to barrel. Original handguard is held in place by a spring "C" clip that fits in two grooves in the barrel and front fits in the rear barrel band. Part of the accurizing procedure is to glue the rear handguard in the barrel band and assure read end does not butt up against receiver. This eliminates movement of handquard, but is a fairly fragile link and would not support the added weight of an optic hanging on it. Perhaps Ultimak has devised a stronger clamp of sorts to hold base solid??? Still, as LoonWulf stated, scout scopes are not my thing, either.

When Burris introduced their Fastfire II, the size/shape got me to thinking it might replace the rear sight of a Garand using the existing holes for elevation pinion in ears of receiver to hold a special base in place. Sure enough, it would fit.

I made a wooden model of the base I wanted, took it and my Garand to a gunsmith friend and asked him to machine the base from aluminum. A couple of months later, he advised me it was completed.
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First mounted a FFII, which worked, but the red dot was a bit too large and beginning cataracts cause the starburst the LoonWulf has experienced. Better than irons, but still not quite target quality. A bit of scrounging in my junk box turned up a Millett red dot sight. Hmm, it would fit and not interfere w/clip loading/ejection
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Clean red dot helped accuracy, but my 80 YO eyes sure could use some help. If only someone made a compact red dot w/a little magnification. Oh well, I can shoot targets about as well as I could w/iron sights so I was pretty proud of the accomplishment and, thinking that there must be others out there w/same problem that might like to tackle such a project, posted pictures online.

To my surprise, someone posted a link to Hopco announcement they would soon be offering a very similar mount at a reasonable price. (In fact it was within a few bucks of what I had in mine) https://m14forum.com/modern-m14/107947-hopco-usa-micro-red-dot-sight-mount-m1-m1a-m14-platform.html Had the Hopco been available, I would have jumped on it rather than build one myself.

A year or so went by and I discovered the Primary Arms 3x compact scope and the Garand graduated from plinking to some serious paper punching to predator rifle in one fell swoop.
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The coyote in post 4 above was first for the Primary Arms and was taken @ 175 yards, and removal of the two pivot screws on scope base allows iron sights to be installed (about a 10 minute job), restoring the rifle to original configuration.

Regards,
hps
 
My Garand had been in quarantine for years due to the fact I could no longer see iron sights. Finally, I decided to do something about it. Read about the Ultimak, but 1) Not a fan of scout scopes and 2) Unsure of how they secure the mount to barrel. Original handguard is held in place by a spring "C" clip that fits in two grooves in the barrel and front fits in the rear barrel band. Part of the accurizing procedure is to glue the rear handguard in the barrel band and assure read end does not butt up against receiver. This eliminates movement of handquard, but is a fairly fragile link and would not support the added weight of an optic hanging on it. Perhaps Ultimak has devised a stronger clamp of sorts to hold base solid??? Still, as LoonWulf stated, scout scopes are not my thing, either.

When Burris introduced their Fastfire II, the size/shape got me to thinking it might replace the rear sight of a Garand using the existing holes for elevation pinion in ears of receiver to hold a special base in place. Sure enough, it would fit.

I made a wooden model of the base I wanted, took it and my Garand to a gunsmith friend and asked him to machine the base from aluminum. A couple of months later, he advised me it was completed.
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First mounted a FFII, which worked, but the red dot was a bit too large and beginning cataracts cause the starburst the LoonWulf has experienced. Better than irons, but still not quite target quality. A bit of scrounging in my junk box turned up a Millett red dot sight. Hmm, it would fit and not interfere w/clip loading/ejection
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Clean red dot helped accuracy, but my 80 YO eyes sure could use some help. If only someone made a compact red dot w/a little magnification. Oh well, I can shoot targets about as well as I could w/iron sights so I was pretty proud of the accomplishment and, thinking that there must be others out there w/same problem that might like to tackle such a project, posted pictures online.

To my surprise, someone posted a link to Hopco announcement they would soon be offering a very similar mount at a reasonable price. (In fact it was within a few bucks of what I had in mine) https://m14forum.com/modern-m14/107947-hopco-usa-micro-red-dot-sight-mount-m1-m1a-m14-platform.html Had the Hopco been available, I would have jumped on it rather than build one myself.

A year or so went by and I discovered the Primary Arms 3x compact scope and the Garand graduated from plinking to some serious paper punching to predator rifle in one fell swoop.
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The coyote in post 4 above was first for the Primary Arms and was taken @ 175 yards, and removal of the two pivot screws on scope base allows iron sights to be installed (about a 10 minute job), restoring the rifle to original configuration.

Regards,
hps
I remember your thread about that journey lol, lot of good info and helpful tips.
 
If you want to go the other way, Shuff’s Parkerizing has Garamd barrels in .35 Whelen.
 
you'd have to modify the gas system most likely, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't work.
I have no real interest in using a Garand as a field gun just because of the funky scope mountings they require, but it would sure be a neat project.

Might want to check this out...

M1/M1A Micro Red Dot Mount by Hopco USA





GR
 
I'm kind of of two minds on this one. The Bubba in me thinks that it would be pretty sweet to have a Garand as it was "meant to be" in a smaller-than-'06 chambering. The cheapskate in me says that chopping up a $1200 rifle, that's pry going to soon be a $1500+ rifle, is an expensive way to do that.

Guess if money is no object, I'd go forward with the project.
 
I'm kind of of two minds on this one. The Bubba in me thinks that it would be pretty sweet to have a Garand as it was "meant to be" in a smaller-than-'06 chambering. The cheapskate in me says that chopping up a $1200 rifle, that's pry going to soon be a $1500+ rifle, is an expensive way to do that.

Guess if money is no object, I'd go forward with the project.

For me - CMP Service Grades were $550-$600 during acquisition.

And because they were bought in bunches, and the ones that didn't "sing" being gifted off or sold at cost to friends and family, the net result was a freezer full of sweet M1's w/ near new bores (TE<1/ME<2).

Followed by M2 ball, both CMP and PPU, stacked high and deep.

It's only the recent addition of the 6.5x55 Ruger Hawkeye African, and its associate ammo/reloading supplies, that makes it entertaining.

For everything else - If I'm going to be toting a 10.5 lb. rifle - 30-06 is what I want it to be shooting.




GR
 
FluffyTheCat

"I spoke to the folks at Criterion today and they are going to make 6.5x55mm Garand barrels. The price will be about $295."





GR

Always here to enable. Do it.

For everything else - If I'm going to be toting a 10.5 lb. rifle - 30-06 is what I want it to be shooting.

And while you're at it, source a 9.3x62 barrel & make yourself a matching pair. A 10.5lb rifle in Otto Bock's masterpiece ought to gentle that kick right down
 
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