machine gun cartridge belts

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Not sure if I'm on the right forum-- but here goes--

I watched a history of Hiram Maxim recently, and saw that he had to find a way to feed the cartridges into his Machine gun-the answer of course, was the ammo belt- but what's always puzzled me, is how the heck does it operate? -and we're talking preety fast actions here-the M42 is a sizzling example- will some of you knowledgeable guys kindly talk me thru it?

sorry to be a such a brain picker- but I gots to know!

thanks a lot


Rusty B
 
In simple terms, a gas piston operates the MG's bolt using the burning powder gas for pressure. Or some MG's are recoil operated.

Anyway, the receprocating bolt operates a feed pawl with a cam, which pulls the belt through the gun one cartridge each cycle.

Here is an animation of a generic belt-fed gun:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/machine-gun9.htm

rc
 
Originally loaded with black powder the Maxim gun used recoil to operate the bolt, rather like some browning designs, or some modern handguns. Used like artillery and producing clouds of smoke repeating weapons we're not considered of much value. The advent of smokeless powder, and a change in tactics, brought the machinegun into its own. It was found that placing machine guns in groups,Using a crew of men to serve them, and water cooling them, vast areas of land could be covered. WW1 saw the devestation machine guns could bring. Infantry tactics had not caught up with firepower, and entire platoons could be mowed down with interlocking fields of fire. The rise of the industrial age saw the Maxim, Vickers, the Browning, and other machine guns deployed on land, on the sea, and in the air. Since then the machine gun has found it's way into most battles. Machine guns can be belt fed, drum fed, recoil or gas operated.
 
Thanks alot ,you guys, for your speedy replies and good info-I never could figure how the cartridge was removed from the belt and fed into the breech-the animation shows it clearly.

Great stuff!

Rusty b

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That automation is partly correct. There are two kinds of belt feed systems. The early ones, used in the Maxim and the Browning, use a claw to pull the cartridge backward out of the cloth belt as the bolt comes to the rear. The fired cartridge is ejected out the bottom or to the side, then the fresh round is lowered down and pushed into the chamber by the closing bolt. The cartridge fires, and the cycle starts over with the feed pawl bringing another cartridge in line to be pulled from the belt.

It is pretty obvious that the system is complex and depends on careful timing, but it is the only way a gun using a cloth belt can work.

But the cloth belt has problems, a major one being that in some applications, like aircraft guns, an empty or partly empty belt flopping around can be troublesome or even disastrous if it gets in the way of something necessary to keeping the airplane in the air, like the propeller. This was gotten around in several ways, including a mechanism that wound the empty belt up on a wheel.

But designers worked on two approaches. One was to make the belt out of steel links instead of cloth or canvas. If these are made so the cartridge itself holds the links together, the belt will come apart as each cartridge is pulled out, and the link that held it is pushed out the side by the incoming belt. An aircraft system will direct the links down a chute and out of the bottom of the aircraft. (They are light enough that they rarely damage anything on the ground - the bullets do more damage when they fall, but war is hell.) That system is called a disintegrating link belt. So even though the gun still pulled the rounds back and down, the cloth belt was done away with.

But steel links can be used without disintegrating and allow the belt to be salvaged and re-used.

Now comes the big development. Instead of pulling the cartridge back out of the belt, lowering it to the line of the barrel, and pushing it into the chamber, let's design the link with an open space at the bottom so the bolt can just push the cartridge out of the belt and directly into the chamber, making feeding a lot simpler and the mechanism less complex. And if this "push through" belt can be made of disintegrating links, so much the better. (The automation shows a push-through system which obviously won't work with cloth belts.)

One of the first guns to use a push-through steel link belt was the German MG. 34, and the feed system allowed a high rate of fire. The later MG. 42 used the same belt, and fired even faster. The German belts, though using steel links, were not disintegrating, the links being connected with wire loops.

Through WWII, the U.S. continued to use the Browning machinegun, with steel link disintegrating belt. But after the war, the Army developed the M60 machinegun, which used a push-through steel link belt that also is disintegrating. Most belt-fed machineguns in use today employ that system, except for old design guns like the .50 Browning gun, which uses disintegrating link belts but on the old pull-out system.

HTH

Jim
 
Thanks, Jim, For that excellent treatise on belt feeds -I see it all clearly now-
but my mind still boggles at the terrific speed of each cycle without jamming ! (about 20 rounds per second in some German WWII guns, I believe)

Appreciate your help

Rusty b.
 
Some versions of the Russian ShKAS (a single-barrel design) fired at rates of up to 3000 rpm (50 rds per second) using an interesting belt-fed system that used the rim on the cartridge entering a groove on the inside of a "squirrel cage" to drag the round out of the belt over 10 steps, but for even faster rates of fire, the multi-barrel Gatling-style mechanism and push-through links are the better way to go. These fast rates of fire become very impoortant in aircraft armament, because as speed of the target or gunner aircraft increases, you have such a limited time window in which the target can be hit.
 
How are disintegrating link belts loaded? What tools are there to do so, and how long does it take?
 
How are disintegrating link belts loaded? What tools are there to do so, and how long does it take

There are various tools for it. The most common these days is a manual linker. You lay the links in the machine, then the ammo, then pull the handle and it squeezes everything together. Usually does 10 rounds at a time (for .50). Painfully slow given the time it takes to use it up :)

The task is generally performed at night with BBQ and adult beverages.
 
How are disintegrating link belts loaded? What tools are there to do so, and how long does it take?

I built this tool for linking ammo for my 1919 (pull out style links). It does 20 rounds at a time and you just over lay at the end to continue the belt.

linker.jpg
 
Another interesting idea has been tried but AFAIK not adopted by anyone. Why remove the round from the belt at all? Why not design two cylinders, rotating against each other? One cylinder has several impressions of half the round and the link, the other has impressions of the other half. (Imagine two revolver cylinders, with the flutes matching, turning in opposite directions.) As the cylinders rotate, the belt is fed in and the round lined up with the barrel (like a revolver) and fired; the cylinders don't stop moving. The cylinders are closely enough mated and the impression close enough that the temporary chamber is adequately sealed against the pressure. The system can be designed with a disintegrating belt, broken up after it has been through the firing process.

Jim
 
Actually, Jim, this sort of thing HAS been tried before, in at least two versions that I know of; the first was an aircraft cannon that had two contra-rotating cylinders that would come together to form a chamber for ignition, but the Gatling-style rotating barrel cage design came along at the same time and didn't pose as many problems in trying to synchronize everything properly (they called this design "the nutcracker", because of the way it worked, but because it required absolute perfect timing in ignition, they could never get the bugs worked out and gave it up as a bad deal); the second worked sort of the same way, as the larger-calibre versions of the Dardick Tround concept.
 
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