MagSafe vs. Pumpkins

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Dain Bramage

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My friend and I decided to do some punkin' chunkin' this weekend out in the woods. I told him that I would supply most of the guns and ammo (his Century FAL is on the disabled list), if he brought the pumpkins.

Well, when we met, I was surprised to see he brought a bunch of MINIpumkins, and shotgun clays for targets, all about the same size. And here I had decided it was going to be commie day and brought my Yugo SKS, AMD-65, and Tokarev pistol. My accurate guns had stayed home. He brought his Ruger P95.

We set up targets from about 25 to 125 yards. After some crappy shooting, we actually got the SKS sighted in to pop them regularly at the longer ranges from offhand, and almost every time from rest.

Anyway, my friend decided he wanted to try a six-pack of MagSafe rounds in 9x19 he had bought for his Ruger. We set up the survivors at 10 yards, to not waste the expensive ammo. I was surprised to see my first shot hit directly at POA. My pumpkin shuddered. I shot it again at COM. It slid a little, and slowly rolled down the berm. My friend hit his two, and then popped off a double tap at some other stuff.

I was impressed with the accuracy, four-out-of-four aimed shots, better than we had been doing with Winchester White Box, but somewhat underwhelmed at the effect. I wasn't expecting pumpkin goo to hang from the trees, like with the Wolf 154g SP from the SKS, but I wasn't expecting it to just sit there either.

My shots had hit right next to each other, shredding maybe a square inch or so of the skin surface. We cut our targets open, and found the expanded rounds inside the pulp, maybe an inch or two inside. None of the rounds had reached the far side skin of these 4 to 5 inch diameter pumpkins.

This is not scientific. I don't know if pumpkins act like flesh, or the sheet-rock these rounds are designed NOT to penetrate. My gut reaction confirmed my bias against frangible rounds. My friend actually liked the fact that they wouldn't penetrate walls with his kids in the house. I have kids too, but in a defensive shooting I want my rounds to stop the threat. To each his own.
 
Many people have reviewed your posting, but no one's commented on it yet, so I'll be the first. Your informal testing is an interesting review of the 9mm Magsafe performance against a rather small target. Agree that the results don't look that impressive. You've shown that the frangible rounds leave something to be desired as a self-defense bullet. Thanks for the post!
 
Great...now the Great Pumpkin is going to haunt me for offing his kids! :D

Adding to the apples and oranges nature of this debate, or pumpkins and milk jugs in this case, the last time I tested frangibles, I used plastic gallon milk jugs filled with water. That was a more satisfying test, with .38 special Glaser blue-tips ripping them apart, and leaving a pattern of shot completely through the far side plastic. Very little of the round was left in the jugs, maybe a few fragments.

If I had known that my friend had MagSafes, I would have brought some milk jugs along. Or at least some freakin' big pumpkins to salve my self-esteem. Although it is true that if you aim small, you miss small. Those mini's made us work harder, but it was more satisfying when they blow'd up.

If all this is making your head hurt, just think what the ammo manufacturers go through. It makes the Strasbourg Goat Test seem more reasonable. :evil:

"I may be dumb, but I'm not a dweeb. I'm just a sucker with no self-esteem."
 
No soft tissue inside pumpkin.......

A friend who was fascinated by Safety slugs years ago and I shot abunch of milk jugs.......if there was nothing in them...the impact was not spectacular....but with water, the explosive force was clearly seen.
However, penetration to reach deep vitals was the question....not the ability to render the first three inches of tissue to jelly...but to reach the heart and spine.
Magsafe has a few larger pellets to attempt to correct this problem, but I'd rather have the whole load go where I want it rather than a few fragments....
(Edited) My friend said .....not to talk about his bad experience with glasier un-penetrating safety slugs.
Jercamp45
 
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It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown. Shoot it before it gets away!

Too much empty space inside a pumpkin. MagSafe & Glaser won't do much there.
You'd have been just as disappointed if you had used HydraShok, Gold Dot or Golden Sabre too. But you'd wouldn't be out $3 per round.

Of course, unlike the mythical Strasbourg Goat Tests, you know that the Great Pumplin Test actually occured.
 
I find that hard to beleive, given the fact that a 25 acp fmj will really destroy an orange.. maybe its the higher water content?
 
To make a pumpkin pie using fresh pumpkin, you first cut off the top sorta like a Jack-o-lantern and then you scoop out all of the seeds with a BIG spoon.

Most of the space inside a pumpkin is a semi-slimey mass of seeds. A @#$%^&* lot ot seeds in fact. On a good meaty pumpkin you still only have a couple of inches of "meat" attached to the rind.

Fresh pumpkin seeds are rather pithy nearly impossible to eat until they're dried. Once dried, if lightly roasted, they can be quite tasty.

There's just not enough solid solids or enough liquids inside a pumpkin to reach with a bullet.

While an orange, on the other hand, is almost solid liquids and had a relatively thin skin.

Oranges, grapefruits and limes are the BEST citrus for "splodin". Almost as good as tomatoes but a lot easier to carry.
(hint - never carry ripe tomatoes, for targets, in field jacket pockets - just trust me on this one)
 
Watermelons!!!!

Now they make a BIG splash!!!
Bought some at a roadside veggie market on the way to a southern Cali desert shoot....it was 1981 and we had a pair of those evil black HK91's, and a pair of .45 auto's.......
Make 'em big mess in the desert!
JC45
 
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