MDA tells Kroger to "Ban Open Carry"!

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MDA tells Kroger to "Ban Open Carry"!


Local Group Wants Kroger Take Stand Against Guns

They are at it again, 'Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America' now is trying to pressure Kroger (the country's largest supermarket chain) to ban open carry. Kroger responds by saying it doesn't want confrontations with it's customers who are legally carrying.

http://www.local12.com/news/feature...ts-kroger-take-stand-against-guns-16253.shtml



Michele Mueller of Moms Demand Action said, "It's just common sense that when you walk into these stores, like Krogers, to grocery shop that that's exactly what you expect to do, is grocery shop. And not have to run or hide or be so frightened."

I realize that this is a 'family friendly' forum so I will use the term "idiotic" in describing the above comment....


(I realize that Kroger* doesn't exist in all the states. But they are the largest supermarket chain in the U.S. (by revenue) and the second largest general retailer next to Walmart . This is a National story with National implications and much more than a local Cincinnati story.)

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kroger
http://www.thekrogerco.com/about-kroger/operations/locations
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[Deltaboy1984]

I demand they go way to Canada or North Korea.

 

[MICHAEL T]

These people running around with AK's or AR 15 rifles or what ever kind their packing. Are doing more harm to their cause than good. Their stirring up trouble . They need to work with the state senators and representatives,. Not out parading around .

Their making it bad on those that open carry in legal states or have a CCW. If they keep it up we will be backing up Because of them.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Funny, I have some demands as well...

I demand Moms take a more active role in understanding every aspect of their children's prescription meds!

 

[gamestalker]

I open carry and have been for more than 40 yrs., and quite often, depending on the circumstances. But in all the years of doing so, it has never been with the intent to make a political statement.

Why should I have to be uncomfortable, summer time around here can make it very uncomfortable to carry concealed.

I can count on one hand the number of times someone has reacted with an out right negative opinion. In fact, most of those who have ever approached me have either inquired about the nice looking firearm on my hip. Or, they start asking questions, which opens up a door for me to give them a little bit of education and perspective about our self defense options. I always try to behave in a calm and sensible manner, thus avoiding political or media topics that constantly paint a different picture. Projecting a positive first impression of the average individual who may carry a self defense weapon is very important, it's an opportunity in my opinion. I want them to walk away with enough correct information to possible inspire them to question what ever the media has implanted in their minds.

GS

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Nothing in the story mentions open carry of long guns in Krogers in Ohio.

We have Krogers locally. The only open carry I have noticed locally has been handgun in holster. It is not common but it is also not remarkable either.

"Local Group Wants Kroger Take Stand Against Guns"

Local group? 'Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America' is a national group funded/affiliated with ex-NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg's crusade to shove a national version of the Sullivan Act NYC-style down the throats of America. Local branch of a national group maybe. But local group?

 

[Elkins45]

I live in northern KY so I get Cincinnati local TV stations. Kroger is headquartered in Cincy. This was the lead story on one of the 11:00 news programs last night. They had some babbling soccer mom yapping about not feeling safe.

The Kroger spokesperson said "we follow local laws." Good for them.

 

[oneounceload]

They had some babbling soccer mom yapping about not feeling safe.

I don't feel safe when I some see some babbling soccer mom driving a WAY too large SUV, texting, drinking coffee and trying to talk to her kid in the back seat while driving down the street.

 

[morcey2]

These people running around with AK's or AR 15 rifles or what ever kind their packing. Are doing more harm to their cause than good. Their stirring up trouble . They need to work with the state senators and representatives,. Not out parading around .

Their making it bad on those that open carry in legal states or have a CCW. If they keep it up we will be backing up Because of them.

Remember that the majority of long-arm open-carry stories come from Texas where it is illegal to OC handguns. The point of the staged long-gun OC demonstrations is to try to get handgun OC legalized in Texas. People like the two Chipotle morons aren't helping things, but I have no issue with OC of any kind of firearm. I think the aforementioned morons blew right past "OCing" and right into brandishing. That said, I don't OC a lot but I do often enough to know that very few people even notice here in Utah.

Matt

 

[200Apples]

Elkins45

They had some babbling soccer mom yapping about not feeling safe.

oneounceload

don't feel safe when I [see] some some babbling soccer driving a WAY too large SUV, texting, drinking coffee and trying to talk to her kid in the back seat while driving down the street.

Best post so far.

G'dangit! That was good, 'load!

 

[stonecutter2]

Ignorance breeds fear.

It's so insane that people feel their ignorant fear of something should override a constitutional right.

 

[1911 guy]

Maybe we can "demand" that Mommies For Utopia sit through a handgun training class, hear stories of violent crime survivors who were denied the right to defend themselves and business owners who encourage CC and OC to deter crime in their establishments (although I'm sure OC is the exception in most places).

Quote:
I don't feel safe when I some some babbling soccer driving a WAY too large SUV, texting, drinking coffee and trying to talk to her kid in the back seat while driving down the street.

I officially nominate this as post of the year.

 

[Drail]

Deportation for MDA works for me. Love it or leave it ladies.

 

[200Apples]

stonecutter2

It's so insane that people feel their ignorant fear of something should override a constitutional right.

Jeff Cooper had a name for this affliction: Hoplophobia.

AllAboutCounseling dot com <--- link


Common Facts About Hoplophobia

Hoplophobia stems from the Greek term, “hoplites,” which means weapon. People who suffer from this fear are afraid not only to be around firearms, but of the actual damage they can cause. They are perceived as extremely destructive and can harm lives. A firearms instructor, Colonel Jeff Cooper, coined the phrase in the early 1960s to describe the actual suffering with this phobia. Specifically, Colonel Cooper described this phobia as a “mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons.” Cooper stated that people who suffer from the fear of firearms stems from the manifestation that the weapons have a will of their own, apart from the user.

Hoplophobia has sometimes been unfairly used to describe gun control advocates. This of course, is an extreme statement and politically-based. Hoplophobia is an actual phobia that plagues many people in society who have no ties to political issues and simply fear weapons and the danger they can cause. This fear not only involves being afraid of firearms, but weapons in general. This would include knives, guns and anything that has the potential to cause bodily harm. There are many triggers to this phobia, mainly Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Whatever the reason for this phobia, there is help.



Treatment of Hoplophobia

The first step in overcoming Hoplophobia is to speak with your doctor for referral to a mental health specialist...

...and so on and so forth.

I really like your point about how stupid it is that an unreasonable fear is thought of more often than the consideration of our Constitutional rights.

1911 guy

Maybe we can "demand" that Mommies For Utopia sit through a handgun training class, hear stories of violent crime survivors who were denied the right to defend themselves and business owners who encourage CC and OC to deter crime in their establishments...

Excellent point.

 

[Trent]

How many people (or, even more specifically, *Children*) have been killed by moms talking or texting on phones while driving?

How many children have been killed by idiot moms leaving the babies in their cars while they run in to the grocery store "just for a minute" in the middle of summer?

Which are leading questions to the obvious one...

How many people have been killed by Krogers shoppers who openly carry while out buying food for their families?

Idiots.

 

[RandyC]

Maybe some letters to Kroger are in order -- a tip of the hat for their reasoned response, a nicely phrased "No".

 

[Trent]

For that matter, the very thing they push around the store with their kids in it has proven to be far more likely to do their babies harm than a bunch of concealed or open carriers out buying bread.

And that is...

... Shopping carts.

Every year a dozen or so kids get killed falling out of the contraptions.

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...&ie=UTF-8#q=baby+shopping+cart+death&safe=off

 

[19-3Ben]

Man, I wish Kroeger had stores here in CT just so I could shop there.

Now here's my big fear.
If you remember, the whole Starbucks fiasco started with Starbucks telling the anti crowd to go pound sand, and that S-bucks will simply obey state laws. (Just as Kroger has now done.)

It was US, the gun owners, who glorified S-bucks and and made them out to be some sort of pro-2A organization and started hosting armed sit-ins and protests. The antis kept up the pressure, and we gave S-Bucks a reason to feel uncomfortable so WE forced their hand by forcing them to officially take a stance. Of course they fell to the side of the antis, and we lost that battle. Had we simply let it fade away rather than making it out like S-Bucks was the great crusader for 2A, we'd still be allowed to open carry there.
I really really hope we don't screw up Kroger the same way.

 

[longknife12]

Colorado (except Denver) is OC state, I have never seen a OC in a Kroger.
I CC and no one has ever noticed. Holster is already on inside of pants....so, I saddle up daily.
Dan

 

[Lucky Derby]

Colorado (except Denver) is OC state, I have never seen a OC in a Kroger.
I CC and no one has ever noticed. Holster is already on inside of pants....so, I saddle up daily.
Dan

My wife and I have OCed inside King Sooper (Kroger) in Arvada. It is a non-event.

 

[Kaeto]

In the summer I open carry whenever I go out. At all the local stores it has been a complete non-event.

 

[Ryanxia]

I'm glad Kroger was sensible in their response. Another 'demand' shot down.

 

[Willie Sutton]

It was US, the gun owners, who glorified S-bucks and and made them out to be some sort of pro-2A organization and started hosting armed sit-ins and protests. The antis kept up the pressure, and we gave S-Bucks a reason to feel uncomfortable so WE forced their hand by forcing them to officially take a stance. Of course they fell to the side of the antis, and we lost that battle. Had we simply let it fade away rather than making it out like S-Bucks was the great crusader for 2A, we'd still be allowed to open carry there.



While I agree completely with the fact that the organized events were not good, we ARE still allowed to open carry carry at Starbucks.

All they did was to essentially ask politely not to be the focus of our social events. Their stores are NOT signed or noted in any state as no-carry zones. They tread just the right thin line to get one side off their back without "really" doing anything. Not a terrible compromise actually, considering the huge number of demographically "not our friends" customers who they serve.


Good for Krogers in any event.


Willie

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[Reloadron]

OK so Michelle Mueller makes the statement:

Michele Mueller of Moms Demand Action said, "It's just common sense that when you walk into these stores, like Krogers, to grocery shop that that's exactly what you expect to do, is grocery shop. And not have to run or hide or be so frightened."

While I am not a big advocate of open carry I really don't see where it matters. Ms. Mueller needs to understand a few things in my opinion. The person in the dairy section carrying a firearm openly is not the person Ms. Mueller should fear or be so frightened of. The guy in the parking lot, illegally carrying a gun for all the wrong reasons waiting on Ms. Mueller to exit the store is more reason for fear and being frightened as they are the real threat to Ms. Mueller.

That said what is the difference in the Kroger or for that matter any retail establishment? Will Ms. Mueller somehow feel safer and less frightened if my gun is carried concealed as I always carry it? The gun is still very much there and quite present. The only difference is in one method of carry the gun is visible to Ms. Mueller and anyone choosing to look at it and have their petty concerns while with the other method Ms. Mueller and anyone else is unaware there is a gun on my hip. Either way the person legally openly carrying a gun or the person legally concealed carrying a gun is no threat to Ms. Mueller. She should be much, much more concerned with the person or persons illegally carrying a gun in that store parking lot.

While Ms. Mueller is all caught up in her protest of an individuals right to openly carry a gun she is missing what she should really have to run or hide or be so frightened of to use her own words.

Ron

 

[berettaprofessor]

Good on Krogers. We don't have them here, but we have "Dillon's" which is a Kroger subsidary. Yet another reason for me to shop there.