Military Ammo Experts -- What Can You Tell Me

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Highroad Team,

I know the ammo is not corrosive so I am not worried about that. Question is safety for M1 Garand. I do know this person had it in an air conditioned and heated home since he acquired it from ammoman a military surplus online dealer back in 2001. So who knows what it was stored like prior to then. No corrosion on the outside of the cases it actually looks better visibly than I have seen some factory ammo.

My M1 Garand is rarely shot more of a safe queen than anything, but just because it is military ammo doesn't make it safe for the Garand and it's op rod does it?

I am leaning towards firing in the 1903-A3 or disassembling and dumping the powder then refilling the case with known powder and the same freedom pill. Maybe peace of mind?

What do you think and what can you experts tell me about the ammo?

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From the internet:

Korean, PS/PSD is the equivalent of LC. Supposedly second only in quality to Lake City USGI and probably more accurate in most lots. Non Corrosive. The cases may be marked PS or PSD with two year digits. PS 75 is 1975.
Difficult to say if they would be too hard on the M1, not knowing the condition of the weapon, but I do know most of the milspec rounds are loaded to max...but without knowing exact powder type you could only guess at the pressure.

If it was me? I'd pull one round down, weigh the projectile and powder load and then decide if I was comfortable firing it thru the Garand.
 
Oh My I just got the scare of my life. I think I will take all of these down and replace with known powder. Old powder as fertilizer :)

I don't think I am supposed to post the link but here is a copy and paste and I see info like this around

Problems Reported with Cal. 30/06, M2 Korean Ball (KA and PS) Problems with Cal .30/06, PS 75, M2 Korean BallOn 28 August 2004 at English Range, Fort Benning, Georgia, an incident occurred with the use of the Korean produced M2 Ball, Lot PS-2-158 in a Remington Manufactured US Rifle, M1903. After several successful firings with US Lake City produced M2 Ball through this weapon, a switch was made to the Korean Produced M2 Ball ammunition. When the second PS-75 round was fired, the case ruptured (split), causing hot gases and brass fragments to be thrown back into the face of the shooter. The shooter came a way with a bloody face that looked much worse than it actually was. Several brass fragments hit his face causing many tiny cuts. There were also some minor flash burns from the hot gasses. Fortunately this shooter was wearing safety lenses and received no fragments in his eyes. 23 nicks were counted in the lenses of his glasses caused by brass fragments.
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For those among you who may be more inclined to worry about the Rifle than the shooter, be advised that the US M1903 Rifle came away also unscathed save for the first inch of the weapon's bolt having been instantly brass coated. This was easily wiped off. No mechanical problems were observed.
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Almost Liquefied Brass Coating
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Almost Liquefied Brass Coating Wiped off with a rag
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Remington M1903 A Great Weapon!
Reported Problems with Korean PS 75 M2 .30 Cal Ball (.30/06) By Lot Number
PS 2-027 (couple of positive reports - one report of one dud out of 400 rounds fired)
PS 2-033 (one report of unspecified problem and one report that 400 rds shot OK)
PS 2-035
PS 2-053 (one positive report on about 400 rounds fired)
PS 2-083 (one positive report based on less than 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-088
PS 2-089 (two positive reports based on 280 rounds fired)
PS 2-090
PS 2-093
PS 2-094
PS 2-096 (some black corrosion, otherwise positive report on very few rounds fired) PS 2-097
PS 2-098
PS 2-100
PS 2-101
PS 2-102 (one positive report based on 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-103
PS 2-104 (two positive reports based on a few hundred rounds)
PS 2-105 (one positive report based on a few hundred rounds)
PS 2-106
PS 2-108
PS 2-122
PS 2-123 (report of one dud round out of 400 rounds fired)
PS 2-124
PS 2-127
PS 2-128
PS 2-134
PS 2-135
PS 2-138
PS 2-142
PS 2-144
PS 2-145
PS 2-146 (one positive report- number of rounds fired not reported)
PS 2-147
PS 2-148
PS 2-149
PS 2-150
PS 2-151 (maybe OK - based on VERY limited information)
PS 2-152 (VERY BAD - DANGER - numerous reports of ruptured heads!)
PS 2-153 (VERY BAD - DANGER - Nasty split cases...all the way to the head of the case)


PS 2-154 (VERY BAD - DANGER - multiple negative reports splits and ruptured head)
PS 2-155 (VERY BAD - DANGER - multiple negative reports splits and ruptured head - One report of three unfired cracked cases found in personal lot)
PS 2-156 (BAD - multiple reports of serious splits)
PS 2-157
PS 2-158 (VERY BAD - DANGER - Nasty split cases...all the way to the head of the case)
PS 2-159 (one positive report based on 400 rounds fired)
PS-2-160 (one positive report of 300 rounds fired with no problems
PS 2-161 (reports of leaking primers, one blown)
PS 2-162 one positive report 100 rounds fired)
PS 2-165 (One report of over 2,000 round fired with no problems. – multiple reports of leaking primers and one report of serious split case from mid-case into head, but not through rim) PS 2-169
PS 2-171 (one negative report of blown primers)
PS 2-172 (one positive report based on approximately 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-173
PS 2-174 (one positive report based on 200 rounds fired)
PS 2-177
PS 2-179
PS 2-180 (Positive report - one misfire in 400 rounds)
PS 2-181
PS 2-183
PS 2-184
PS 2-185 (one report of blown primer and one unspecified negative report)
PS 2-186
PS 2-187
PS 2-189 (one positive report)
PS 2-192
PS 2-193 (some of this lot badly corroded, otherwise positive reports)
PS 2-194
PS 2-195
PS 2-198
PS 2-199 (one report of 60 rounds fired, one blown primer)
PS-2-200
PS 2-202
PS 2-204 (one positive report- number of rounds fired not reported)
PS 2-205

Problems with Cal .30/06, KA, M2 Korean Ball KA-73, Lot KA 282 (One Report. Numerous bullets were crooked in the cases and some bent the necks).
KA-73, Lot KA 329 (One Report. Numerous bullets were crooked in the cases and some bent the necks).

PHOTO AT RIGHT: Top and Center are KA-73 with with crooked bullets. BOTTOM photo is a HXP with properly seated bullet, used for comparison.
KA-??, Lot KA-473 (One report) Seven misfires.Out of 96 rounds fired
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KA-77, Lot KA-462 One Report. Severe case splits. Headstamp KA-77, Lot KA-462
This was fired in an IHC M1 Garand. The bolt was jammed closed in battery. A large piece of wood was used to strike the op rod handle to to get the bolt open. No damage to the rifle or shooter occurred.
 
Another question does this mean Brass was bad? This looks like the lot i have
PS 2-154 (VERY BAD - DANGER - multiple negative reports splits and ruptured head)
 
10-20 years ago I purchased thousands of rounds of the PS M2 Ball milsurp ammo. It sports a non-corrosive primer compound, unlike its KA brother. I fired a LOT of it in M1s, 03s and M1917s. No issues and found it to be decent, reliable, accurate field ammo.

I would not acquire or shoot any of the PS that was not in its original box displaying the Lot ID.

The list that you found and included in Post#6 was my guide to acquisition & use.

If that were my box of 2-154, I would break it down and discard all but the bullets. The putative Issue, as I recall, is simply dangerously bad brass interspersed throughout the Lot.

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Another question does this mean Brass was bad? This looks like the lot i have
PS 2-154 (VERY BAD - DANGER - multiple negative reports splits and ruptured head)
Just put the powder and proj in NEW brass. Those particular lots had brass with manufacturing defects in them. Everything else is fine. Just pour into new brass...reseat bullet and go shoot.
 
I would tear a couple down to see how consistent the powder charge is and is it breaking down. I broke some ammo down from that same error and the powder bad. It had stuck to the side of the brass and pitted the inside. From the outside it looked perfectly good and this was commercial ammo.
 
So knowing what we know and what's all in this thread

1) Just keep the Freedom Pill
2) Keep the freedom pill and powder place both in NEW BRASS while trashing suspect brass

I have taken apart 2 of them and they both looked the same and weighed the same. Keep in mind this is all in the factory boxes. There was no corrosion inside the case and the powder smells like powder. I have smelled bad powder before I think they can use that crap in place of smelling salt


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I am not sure how safe I feel trying to deprime a crimped in primer and reuse it. My picture sucks in showing it but it has a ton of sealer on it also. I did try on one case and that primer was requiring a lot of force. UGH
 
I am barely a quarter of the way through
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And Chesty wants to know why there are tears in my eyes. I keep telling him it is just the onions. He continues to bark about not smelling or seeing anything cooking.

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Laughing my butt off at slowly is more better LOL
 
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