Minnesota: "Handgun legislation has better chance in new session"

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http://news.mpr.org/features/2003/01/08_scheckt_concealedcarry/

from the Minnesota Public Radio site

Handgun legislation has better chance in new session
by Tom Scheck, Minnesota Public Radio
January 7, 2003

Supporters of a bill that would allow most Minnesota adults to carry concealed handguns believe they have enough votes in the House and Senate for the bill to become law this year. Gun rights advocates say current law isn't fair because law enforcement officials have the right to refuse a permit for no reason. In the meantime, gun control advocates say they'll continue to fight the legislation.

St. Paul, Minn. — In past legislative sessions, the Senate defeated changes to the handgun legislation while the House overwhelmingly passed the bill. Last session, opponents barely defeated the bill when it died on a tie vote in the senate. But a new legislature and a new governor are in town. And Gov. Pawlenty has indicated his support for the concealed carry measure.

Even with momentum moving against them, opponents of the concealed carry bill are planning a major fight. Rebecca Thoman with the handgun control group, Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says relaxing the state's concealed carry law would lead to more violence.

"We're really talking about increasing our gun violence in the state. And we're changing our culture. We're saying it's acceptable to live in a state where you have to carry a handgun around to feel safe. Or you should turn to a handgun as a means to solve a dispute," Thoman said.

But Rep. Linda Boudreau, R-Faribault, says the state's current law is unfair. She says county sheriffs and police chiefs have the power to arbitrarily issue or deny a handgun permit to anyone.

Boudreau says any Minnesotan over the age of 21 should have the right to carry a handgun. Boudreau, who will author the bill in the House, says the bill will deny permits to convicted felons and those with a history of domestic abuse problems. Boudreau says it will also allow for background checks and requires increased training for those who receive a permit.

"We have heard loud and clear from voters with those who have been elected that it's an issue that's important to Minnesotans. And I have known that simply because of the letters and e-mails I've gotten, I haven't gotten that kind of response on any issue as I have on the Citizens Protection Act," she said.

John Caile, with the group Concealed Carry Reform Now, says he believes the bill will pass the Senate this session. He says his forces have four to seven more votes from newly elected lawmakers favoring concealed carry. Caile, who wears a red, white, and blue tie-tack pin in the shape of a handgun, says 34 states have similar legislation and haven't seen an increase in crime.

"Every state that passes legislation like this has the same sky-will-fall response from opponents. And at every point they're proved wrong. At some point you have to look at the record with the millions of permit holders that we have. The incredible record of good behavior that they have racked up over the years and say do we really expect that Minnesota citizens are somehow going to be any less responsible?" said Caile.

Sen. Wes Skoglund, DFL-Minneapolis, says he'll continue to fight the legislation. He says current law is adequate. Skoglund says the bill is popular at the Capitol simply because the National Rifle Association supports the measure. But he says the general public doesn't want it.

"I'm going to do my best to make a convincing argument that it's not in the best interest of the people of this state. It's dangerous. People are going to get hurt. It makes our state one of these more bully type states. People are going to get permits to carry because other people have permits to carry and more guns does not equal more safety," Skoglund said.

The Minnesota Sheriffs Association and the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association says they will oppose any changes to current law.
 
I hope it passes this year, and I really think it has a chance.
I really don't understand these liberal SOB's, 30+ states have a form of shall issue and they those states have not turned into wild west shoot outs. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
And anybody in Minnesota that believes Skoglund and his ranting that the general public doesn't want it is sadly misimformed. And yes, we the citizens of Minnesota that make up the general public, of course we support it, we are the NRA. :cuss:
 
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First off, unless I'm delusional, it's 32 states that have shall-issue.

Secondly, isn't there one chair-polisher among the police brass who has the stones to stand up to the gun-banners' rhetoric? It's become as though you reach into the back of the Chief's suit, pull a string, and a recording says "blood in the streets, shootouts at every stoplight, officers killed...khrrrhhhhrr... blood in the streets, shootouts at every stoplight, officers killed..."
 
"Rebecca Thoman with the handgun control group, Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says relaxing the state's concealed carry law would lead to more violence."





How do they get away with this? Doesn't anyone make them PROVE statements like this? Hell, if they could prove concealed carry increases violence almost no one would support it, so why don't they? Yeah, yeah, I know. But you would think there's at least ONE reporter that would stand up and say "Excuse me, but just how do you know that's true and where do you get your information?".But, "reporters", what was I thinking? :rolleyes:



I just get so tired of the lies, from all sides. :banghead:
 
Hell, if they could prove concealed carry increases violence almost no one would support it, so why don't they?

Using troops to police America would probably decrease crime; why not do it? Who wouldn't support that?
 
Monkeyleg, you are probably right that 32 states have active shall issue.
But even if 49 states had shall issue with no problems, a few politicans in Minnesota would still be preaching blood in the streets if the law was passed. :fire:
 
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Minnesota

Don't hold you breath on Minnesota. I was monitoring this last year as it looked very promising, almost a certainty that it was going through, then was quitetly backdoored at the last second. :rolleyes:
 
Last year it passed in the House by a fair margin, but died in the Senate because of a tied vote due to the X Senate leader Roger Moe strong arm tactics.
The 2002 election results in the Senate might be enough edge to get it through this year.
The latest report is now the anti's are saying it will cost $600,000 to implement (reported in Minneapolis Star & Tribune), and with Minnesota now running a deficit, can we really afford it. Well, I guess my responce would be that if it was to save only one life, wouldn't it be worth it, at least that's what "they" usually say. :rolleyes: I don't know where they get that figure. If I remember right, the projected fee was going to be in the range of $35-$65 charged to the person applying for the a permit, and would be good for 3 years. I would think this would cover the cost of paperwork. :confused:
 
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The latest report is now the anti's are saying it will cost $600,000 to implement

Us Minnesotans need to spread the word about this. As much as I think it's ridiculous to PAY and REGISTER for the right to defend yourself, user fees will cover the cost. At $50 each, it would only take 12,000 permit holders to cover the $600K. CCW will likely GENERATE money -- which can be used for gun safety education -- just like hunting and fishing fees pay for conservation.

Knowing politicians, the excess money will probably go to anti-gun public service announcements or directly to HCI.:banghead:

Does anyone have any numbers on the # of CCW holders in their state or the revenue generated by permit holders and what is done with the excess funds?
 
Great, my parents and grandparents and relatives may be able to pack soon.

...as if they WOULD.
 
Thanks for the link, Oatka. I worked it backwards and got into some info on Minnesota conceal carry that I didn't know I had access to.
 
I've had the BCA stat sheet for nearly a year, and every time I think about it, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Here's why:

My county - Kandiyohi - shows 39 applications, with 37 permits issued. I have to call BS on that one. I had two denials in '01. Am I to believe that I'm the *only* person in a county of 30,000 people who was denied a carry permit? I think not. I suspect there are others who were denied, but, unfortunately, have no proof. I didn't keep the letters of denial. I do now! I think I have 4 or 5 from '02.

I can hardly wait for the '02 report...

JB

ps: My hat is off to the MnCCRN! guys and gals. They've worked their tushes off for a long time. It may happen this year! Roger Moe is gone. Thank God and the voters for that. He could have been our new Governor.
 
"Using troops to police America would probably decrease crime; why not do it? Who wouldn't support that?" by tyme




Huh, you been eating paint chips again?
 
I went down to the county sheriff yesterday and got another application to fill out for requesting a conceal carry permit. I was told that when I brought it back, I was required to also bring a passport size picture, and a letter from my employer showing need to carry for my job. I told this person that the letter from my employer was not a state requirement and was not needed to accompany my application. Again, their response was that I had to submit a letter from my employer with my conceal carry application. :mad:
Yes, we have a fair policy in Minnesota. :banghead:
 
I guess one option would be to shop counties and find out which ones are easier to get a permit in, then get a residence there. Lotta work for some, but a sure way around the permit problem. A permit from any county is good for the entire state.
 
That's hardly an option for most people.

How about fair and equal treatment under the law instead...? I lived in MN all my life up until 10 months ago. I applied twice and was denied both times.

dave: I think tyme was being sarcastic.
 
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