Model 1903/quiz

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Hi all,
This one just needs a rough idea for the answer. How many Model 1903's were available for US troops in 1937?
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Clancy
 
IIRC, there were around 1.9 million 1903s manufactured prior to WWII. Don't have any idea how many were still around in 1937, however.
 
Hi all,
I do run into some data on other projects that Ordnance was working on. I just thought that this might get you going. Sorry no one is there yet. Remember, war clouds were on the way and Ordnance was trying to get the M1 Garand up and running. This quiz is to show you how ready we were it 1937.
Thanks again
Clancy
 
I do know the Naval Supply Depot reported on February 14, 1942 that they had a grand total of 11,217 Model 1903s in servicable condition. That's not a lot for the entire Navy and Marine Corp. I'd guess the overall US military total in 1937 was very low.
 
Hi all,
I see you are all working on this one. Some are close others are off. I will post the answer in a day or two.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks again
Clancy
 
Hi all,
Ordnance states that as of March 2, 1937 there are 901,548 Model 1903's and of those 306,514 are in the hands of troops.
Thanks again
Clancy
 
Those figures are interesting and educational. But there should be more rifles, and I think that the Ordnance inventory might not include the Navy or Marine Corps. Here are some other figures.

On 30 June, 1939, the entire U.S. Army was 187,893 men, of whom 22,387 were in the Air Corps. The National Guard (there was no Air National Guard) was 199,491 men, for a total of 387,384, so the figure of 306,514 rifles in the hands of troops in 1937 pretty well matches if Navy and Marine rifles are not included.

In 1937, plans for "full mobilization" envisioned an army of 250,000 men. Even by mid-1940, predictions of a 4 million man armed forces in the event of war were denounced as absurd and fantasies, but it soon became apparent that if the U.S. was drawn into a two front war, the its armed forces would have to be huge.

That is why the Army was deeply concerned about the availability of rifles in the 1940-41 period. The Army's major arms factor, Springfield Armory, had been retooled to manufacture the M1 rifle. Yet, by the end of 1940, barely 100,000 had been produced, and it looked like there could never be enough for an army that everyone knew would be vastly expanded.

In addition, in the fall of 1940, the president ordered 1.1 million Model 1917 rifles declared "obsolete" (to comply with international law) and shipped to England. (This was not "Lend-Lease"; the Lend-Lease Act was not passed until March, 1941.) Those rifles had been the largest part of the Army's war reserve, and now they were gone. It must have been enough to make Ordnance officers cry.

Those factors led to a greater urgency in getting Winchester started on M1 production, and also to the letting of the contract to Remington for Model 1903 rifles, supplanting the previous British contract for a .303 version.

Jim
 
Hi all,
Mr. Keenan Nice comeback. However, the real trick is how many M1917 were on hand on the same date. I have the data on the USMC, which is real way off on the number of M1's they will need. The US Army had a plan called the PMP which was to be 1 million strong. The Ordnance data comes at a point in time to help to get funding for the M1 at SA. Ordnance was looking ahead but even they could not get a handle on what was going to be needed. The file does not show if there is a breakdown by branch of service, just how many Model 1903's and M1917's were on hand. Another file dated I think early 1941 talks about 4000 Model 1903's the USMC has that says Ordnance has no spare parts to repair???
Thanks again
Clancy
ps guys there is much more data on this in Vol.2 as we get closer to war.
 
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