Mossberg Shockwave (firearm) does it...?

[drobs]

Magically become an AOW if concealed?

Is there a federal definition of the word concealed or concealable?

 

[adcoch1]

Magically become an AOW if concealed?

Is there a federal definition of the word concealed or concealable?

As I understand it, if you conceal it it can legally be prosecuted as an unregistered short barreled shotgun. But it has to be intentionally concealed. I am not a judge or an attorney though, so my opinion is worth what you paid for it....

 

[drobs]

As I understand it, if you conceal it it can legally be prosecuted as an unregistered short barreled shotgun. But it has to be intentionally concealed. I am not a judge or an attorney though, so my opinion is worth what you paid for it....

That's kind of where my question comes from. I could see having it in a shoulder holster under a trench coat on your body = concealing it.
But is that the same as putting a blanket over it in a vehicle?

Is there some federal law on concealment?

 

[dogtown tom]

Magically become an AOW if concealed?

ATF thinks so: ATF Determination letter from 2017

Is there a federal definition of the word concealed or concealable?

Not in any ATF regulation. If not defined in regulation, then the common "dictionary" definition is used.

 

[dogtown tom]

As I understand it, if you conceal it it can legally be prosecuted as an unregistered short barreled shotgun.

No. It wouldn't meet the definition of a "Short Barrelled Shotgun" because it has no shoulder stock.
It could meet the definition of an "Any Other Weapon" if concealed.

But it has to be intentionally concealed. I am not a judge or an attorney though, so my opinion is worth what you paid for it....

Says who?

 

[dogtown tom]

That's kind of where my question comes from. I could see having it in a shoulder holster under a trench coat on your body = concealing it.
But is that the same as putting a blanket over it in a vehicle?

Is there some federal law on concealment?

The definition of "Any Other Weapon": § 479.11 Meaning of terms.

Any other weapon.
Any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive, a pistol or revolver having a barrel with a smooth bore designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell, weapons with combination shotgun and rifle barrels 12 inches or more, less than 18 inches in length, from which only a single discharge can be made from either barrel without manual reloading, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire. Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition.

So being covered by a blanket in the back seat isn't concealed on the person.
Taking a nap on the couch with your Mossberg and being covered by a blankie or your Snuggie......would be.

 

[adcoch1]

No. It wouldn't meet the definition of a "Short Barrelled Shotgun" because it has no shoulder stock.
It could meet the definition of an "Any Other Weapon" if concealed.



Says who?

Man, I need to watch what I type... aow is what I meant.

As to the other question, I asked the attorney that put together my gun trust and his opinion was that concealed on the body would make the weapon, by default of definition, a concealable firearm, which an "other weapon" (not "aow") Is not.
So my opinion is derived from his unofficial but educated advice.

Maybe we should come up with a legal disclaimer around here about advice.

 

[dogtown tom]

I asked the attorney that put together my gun trust and his opinion was that concealed on the body would make the weapon, by default of definition, a concealable firearm, which an "other weapon" (not "aow") Is not.
So my opinion is derived from his unofficial but educated advice.

Careful.........there is no such thing as "Other Weapon" either in Title I (non NFA firearms) or Title II (NFA firearms).
Where many get confused is the Form 4473 refers to "Type" as well as "Category". A dealer transferring an AOW would write "AOW" on Question 4 "Type" and check "Other Firearm" on Question 24 "Category".

Question 24 refers to three categories of firearms. The dealer indicates if the firearm being transferred is:
"Handgun" (pistol or revolver)
"Long Gun" (rifles and shotguns"
"Other Firearm" (refers to frames, receivers, and other firearms that are neither handguns nor long guns (rifles or shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expel a shotgun shell, or National Firearms Act(NFA) firearms, including silencers)

So........while an "AOW" is an "Other Firearm", not all firearms in that category are AOW's.