SkinnyGrey
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What would you say is the most durable AR 15 rifle? Which one could you put through the most amount of torture (sand, dirt, mud, water, cold, etc.) and still have it fire with minimal problems? Looking forward to all responses!
Most durable AR 15?
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adelbridge
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anything MILSPEC. you can spend more money on a billet upper and lower but Milspec has been through several wars.
meanmrmustard
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Sand, dirt, mud? Prolly any of them.
Water and cold? None. They freeze, they're done.
Water and cold? None. They freeze, they're done.
JustinJ
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Reliable and durable are two different terms. I consider durability to be related to parts malfunction and reliability related to operation. I would venture that NP3 coated internals will be more reliable and resistant to malfunction from dirt and grime. Piston guns may be more reliable when there is a higher round count and fired more rapidly. Against mud and dirt i'm not so sure there is much difference. The gas system may be a factor as the higher the forces driving the bolt and carrier the more likely it will overcome resistance from dirt and crud. Heavier forces on the other hand will reduce durability and hotter gasses inside the receiver could burn of lubricant and cook on contaminants. All this is of course just theoretical.
Captains1911
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Hesse, Vulcan, Blackthorne
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Recent tests by DOD the current issue M4 won over 10 competitors in tests. No other system showed any advantage over the current issue carbine. Also different bolt systems were evaluated and again, nothing superior was found.
Based on that, I agree that a standard configuration Mil-spec is as good as anything out there. Snake oil is still snake oil.
Based on that, I agree that a standard configuration Mil-spec is as good as anything out there. Snake oil is still snake oil.
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Link please.
BSW.
MachIVshooter
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OP said MOST reliable and durable.
meanmrmustard
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I'm thinking sarcasm
meanmrmustard
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Mustn't forget NEMO
allaroundhunter
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DPMS
.....What? You know it was going to get a vote sometime, I just wanted to be different
.....What? You know it was going to get a vote sometime, I just wanted to be different
Quentin
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Hard to do better than Colt, Daniel Defense, Noveske, LMT and BCM.
IMO, Colt doesn't belong on that list. They are only in use by the govt because they are the low bidder...
Colt literally sets the bar. They own the TDP.
And the govt does not simply award to the "low bidder", for anything. They must meet the required specification.
allaroundhunter
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Not anymore, Remington took that honor.
Even after the re-bid...?
allaroundhunter
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I thought they still did, but I am not 100% sure. I definitely could be wrong
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Last test results I found had these results:
M4- 882 jams, 1 jam every 68 rounds, again using heavy lubrication. In addition all 10 of the M4 barrels needed to be replaced, and a number of their parts were replaced during the test.
HK416- 233 jams, 1 jam every 257 rounds, 3.77x more reliable than the M4.
SCAR (556)- 226 jams, 1 jam every 265 rounds, 3.85x more reliable than the M4
XM8- 127 jams, I jam every 472 rounds, 6.95x more reliable than the M4.
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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/#post-test
M4- 882 jams, 1 jam every 68 rounds, again using heavy lubrication. In addition all 10 of the M4 barrels needed to be replaced, and a number of their parts were replaced during the test.
HK416- 233 jams, 1 jam every 257 rounds, 3.77x more reliable than the M4.
SCAR (556)- 226 jams, 1 jam every 265 rounds, 3.85x more reliable than the M4
XM8- 127 jams, I jam every 472 rounds, 6.95x more reliable than the M4.
BSW
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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/#post-test
Not for the last few decades.
Of course... but the others on that list make vastly better stuff that they can't make for anywhere near the bid price. Have you ever compared a Noveske, Daniels or LWRC side by side with a Colt? There's simply no comparison.
In terms of the M4, as supplied to our armed forces, yes, Colt literally sets the bar, to this day.
If you consider that the AR15 is a semi automatic/16" barrel (and thus civilian legal) version of the M4, then Colt does quite literally set the bar.
Can you quantify what is "vastly better" about Daniel Defense than Colt?
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