Movie "Silencers" With Recessed Barrel Threads?

[Flynt]

I know, I know, Hollywood does a sorry job of portraying real life firearm use, but I have to ask anyway... I notice that in most action movies/TV the actors pull out handguns that don't seem have the kind of threaded barrels I have on my guns. My threaded barrels protrude a half inch from the slide and are capped with a thread protector. Hollywood guns don't have protruding threaded barrels, yet "silencers" (I know it's really "suppressors") magically appear on the guns in the next scene. Are there any cans that really mount that way?

 

[Tommygunn]

I can say one thing; a LOT of those so-called "silencers" used in movies are not real silencers (and thus are not NFA devices) they are machined "dummies" that sometimes (in the case of some revolvers I have seen on TV where silencers are attached) simply fit over the barrel and then turn and the front sight fits into a "key" on the device so the dummy stays on.
Even screw- on ones are usually dummies.
These days a lot of guns are phoney props and gunshots are CGI'd in and the soundtrack is augmented. Even fifty years ago in old TV shows & movies gunshots were dubbed in and a silenced gun received an appropriatly fake "PFFFFT" sound.

 

[rcmodel]

I would say it's possible a lot of Hollywood guns use the internal tread the blank-firing reducer is screwed into and also mount Suppressors in the same internal threads.

Wouldn't do if a bullet had to get out of there.
But a blank adaptor plug only has a 1/8" hole in it.

rc

 

[Theohazard]

Hollywood guns don't have protruding threaded barrels, yet "silencers" (I know it's really "suppressors") magically appear on the guns in the next scene.

Both terms are fine. In fact, "silencer" is more correct from a legal and historical standpoint. After all, don't you think the original inventor gets to name his invention? The term "silencer" was what Hiram Percy Maxim used when he originally patented his Maxim Silencer over a hundred years ago, and that was the primary term used for most of the 20th century. It wasn't until a few decades ago that some people decided to use the term "sound suppressor" because it more accurately describes what it does.

Manufacturers and people in the industry use "silencer", "suppressor", and the slang term "can" interchangeably. If anyone ever scolds you and says, "It's not a silencer!", they're just showing that they have no idea what they're talking about and they don't know much about them.

But to get to your original question; yes, pistol silencers need a protruding barrel to attach to. Usually this is at least 0.4" of exposed threads, though not always; the Beretta 92's barrel protrudes just enough that it's OK to thread it and attach a silencer.

 

[Theohazard]

Flynt, check out the thread spec page from SilencerCo's website, one of the most prominent and fastest-growing silencer companies:

http://www.silencerco.com/product-support/

(A few of those are rifle thread specs, by the way. EDIT: On second look, I don't see any rifle thread specs there. I guess I misread ".578x28" as "5/8x24".) 1/2x28 and 13.5x1 LH are the two most common 9mm thread patterns, and 16x1 LH and .578x28 are the two most common .45 thread patterns.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

After all, don't you think the original inventor gets to name his invention?

Your Sir are way out of bounds. The internet knows better than silly manufacturers!

Mike

PS. Apparently 37/64" (0.578") was the largest fractional English thread that the standard Colt 1911 barrel diameter could support.

 

[ScottS]

Your Sir are way out of bounds. The internet knows better than silly manufacturers!

Mike

PS. Apparently 37/64" (0.578") was the largest fractional English thread that the standard Colt 1911 barrel diameter could support.

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[Theohazard]

There is a big difference between "suppressor/silencer" and "magazine/clip": A suppressor and silencer have always been the same thing, while a magazine and a clip are two separate things.

Technically and historically, those things pictured above are magazines; Remington marking "clip" on the package doesn't change that at all. Over the years, people have confused "clip" with "magazine" often enough that the two words have become conflated in our vernacular, but that doesn't mean they're interchangeable from a technical standpoint.

If someone says, "I need a clip for my SKS", do they need a stripper clip for their classic SKS or do they need a magazine for a converted SKS? The conflation of those two words can cause confusion, but if someone says they're looking for a silencer, there's no confusion because there's only one thing they're referring to.

 

[Tirod]

Silencer or suppressor, if you attach it the noise is reduced.

Clip or magazine, if you insert a full one you are loading the weapon.

Internet grammarians need to remember words have meanings, and a device by any other name would still do the same job. Like, can, or muffler.

A device holding many rounds of ammo? Hmm, why are we limited to just two terms?

 

[Theohazard]

Silencer or suppressor, if you attach it the noise is reduced.

Clip or magazine, if you insert a full one you are loading the weapon.

Internet grammarians need to remember words have meanings, and a device by any other name would still do the same job. Like, can, or muffler.

A device holding many rounds of ammo? Hmm, why are we limited to just two terms?

Oh, I agree entirely; I have no problem if someone wants to interchange the words "clip" and "mag". I was simply pointing out the difference between the "silencer/suppressor" debate and the "clip/mag" debate.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

We have several Class III dealerships in the area. I have seen silencers with female threads for male threaded, extended barrels; I dimly recall a silencer with "bayonet style" mounting, a slotted tube that used the sight base as its lug, but its been fifty years and the memories fade.

I recall no guns with female threaded muzzles or silencers with male threaded tubes. That only means that they have not been brought to my attention, but guns have been a hobby interest of mine for over fifty years, and a real oddity like that would be memorable.

 

[Flynt]

Mr. Brown, Thank you for your response. It was informative and on topic. I appreciate the other replies, but I feel like they hijacked the thread. I guess it's my fault for waving a red cape. I was aware of the tendency to debate proper gun nomenclature, and I was trying to have a little fun with that by putting the word "silencer" in quotes. Never again. We got off on long debate over semantics that buried the original question.

 

[Swampman]

I dimly recall a silencer with "bayonet style" mounting, a slotted tube that used the sight base as its lug

It may have been 50 years, but there's nothing wrong with your memory!

Suppressors used on the Mosin Nagant rifle back in WWII were attached by pushing them on, then twisting to lock the mount behind the front sight.

There's a picture of some part way down the page in this thread.

www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=674762

 

[kanook]

A little info on early silencers http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/Maxim silencer/Maxim Silencer brochure.pdf

 

[jmorris]

My form 1 and 4's call my suppressors, silencers...

 

[Theohazard]

Mr. Brown, Thank you for your response. It was informative and on topic. I appreciate the other replies, but I feel like they hijacked the thread. I guess it's my fault for waving a red cape. I was aware of the tendency to debate proper gun nomenclature, and I was trying to have a little fun with that by putting the word "silencer" in quotes. Never again. We got off on long debate over semantics that buried the original question.

I take issue with this; your explanation is disingenuous. It's pretty clear that you weren't just "trying to have a little fun with that by putting the word 'silencer' in quotes". You specifically wrote this:

I know it's really "suppressors"

It's pretty clear to me that you were serious and you honestly thought "silencer" was an incorrect term. And that's fine, but you shouldn't get annoyed because we explained that both terms are actually fine to use. I'd say that you're the one who hijacked your own thread when you began by implying that the term "silencer" is incorrect.

 

[Swampman]

Hollywood guns don't have protruding threaded barrels, yet "silencers" (I know it's really "suppressors") magically appear on the guns in the next scene. Are there any cans that really mount that way?

I've seen one.
It was a Model 94 Winchester "Trapper", on which the barrel had been back bored with the resulting cavity being threaded internally. The owner had one of the YHM QD mounts with a threaded nipple sticking out of it.

The nipple was simply threaded into the cavity at the end of the barrel and then the can could be installed on the QD mount. He told me he'd had it done to avoid the cost of having his magazine and front sight modified in order to have the barrel threaded in the conventional manner.

I really liked the idea and wanted to get mine threaded the same way, but my 'Smith (who does a lot of work on various NFA weapons) said he wouldn't do it because he felt that there were too many threaded junctions and that it was, as he said, "a baffle strike waiting to happen."

I watched the owner shoot @ 50 rounds through it with no problems, he said he'd had it a couple of years and that it'd been trouble free once he put RockSet on the nipple where it entered the QD mount. Prior to that he'd have to retighten things every 10 or 20 shots.

I know I have some pics of the setup somewhere, but I've looked everywhere and couldn't find them.