Moving to alaska, keep my .40 or buy a .44?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Also, while we're on the subject, I understand I can ship firearms from myself to myself in AK. If I maintain an address in the lower 48 at my parents' house, could I simply UPS them to myself the day before I fly up and take delivery of them upon my arrival in AK? Or is it still necessary to ship them to "c/o" an FFL in my name?

Could I ship 4 or 5 handguns in one box or do they need to be individually shipped?

USPS, long guns only, from yourself to yourself, a ''common carrier'' is needed for handguns. UPS is excellent at this, and theres a couple outlets in Anchorage. If you ship and fly, you will likely beat the gun here.

A .40cal is nice, so is a .44.
My wife carries a handgun for bears while cutting fish or berry picking, but a loose dog is better protection so she takes a couple with her as well.

For an excellent all around pistol, I carry a .22lr Ruger MKII.

For Bear pistol, I carry the Eskimo way; a Rifle............Ive never met an Eskimo thats been mauled.
 
There's some curious logic going on here. Just because a pistol happens to have more rounds on tap than the 6 that most revolvers have does not mean that those shooters don't aim.

Having only 6 rds also doesn't mean that a revolver shooter will magically hit something vital (I.E. brain, spinal cord, heart, lung(s) etc).

Ran across this. It's somewhat interesting.
https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2016/10/where-are-bear-attack-pistol-failures.html?m=1
Not logic, words on the screen. Folks VERY often claim the superiority of the G20 because it holds 15rds and they think they're gonna be able to shoot more often to make up for the lack of terminal effect.
 
Not logic, words on the screen. Folks VERY often claim the superiority of the G20 because it holds 15rds and they think they're gonna be able to shoot more often to make up for the lack of terminal effect.
Where are those claims?

Maybe some people aren't on an Alaskan island populated almost solely by bears and elk.

Maybe bears are one of the threats that they're taking into consideration and so they have to consider and account for it, but they also have to worry about two legged threats as well.
 
If you are considering something in .40 caliber, 10 mm is more powerful than .40 S&W. A .41 magnum revolver is more powerful still.

Bear spray works faster than a bullet but wears off. You need a firearm in case the bear returns.
 
A G20 or G29 is my choice. DoubleTap 200 gr hardcast will get 1300 and 1250 fps respectively from them and penetration is measured in feet. Realistically that is better than you can do with 357 mag and equal to 41 mag from 4" or shorter barrels. It is a LOT closer to 44 mag when 44's are fired from 4" barrels than most shooters understand. Of course with the same bullet the 40 is only about 200 fps slower and would work too. Even the 9mm when loaded with heavy hardcast bullets has proven capable.

I've long suspected that handguns, even smaller calibers, were much more effective for this use than most give them credit for. And someone finally put together some data to back it up

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/de...s-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz5Ucf4zGTb

These guys pulled together all of the instances where hikers/hunters/fishermen used a handgun to defend themselves from bear attacks that they could document. They were able to document 37 instances. In 36 of the 37 the bear was killed or retreated. The only instance where the handgun didn't work was because the shooter missed 3 times with a 357 mag revolver.

The cartridges used were:

9mm - 4
357 - 3
40 - 3
10mm - 1
41 - 2
44 - 12
45 acp - 4
Unidentified - 3

The key is shot placement and penetration. Ft lbs of energy means nothing. I prefer a semi over a revolver for many reasons. They are lighter, more compact and more likely to actually be carried when needed. They are more reliable in dirty outdoor conditions and hold a lot more ammo. I might not be able to fire all 16 rounds from my 10mm, but I might well need more than 6.

And there doesn't appear to be any real advantage to a magnum revolver for protection. For hunting, where longer shots are called for then the power and accuracy of a revolver comes into play, but not for animal defense.
 
Last edited:
Where are those claims?

Maybe some people aren't on an Alaskan island populated almost solely by bears and elk.

Maybe bears are one of the threats that they're taking into consideration and so they have to consider and account for it, but they also have to worry about two legged threats as well.
Several right here in this thread, try reading it. Read the OP again while you're at it.


"Expert" with a link to revolver forum in signature criticizes those that prefer a semi... o_O
Firstly, I'm not criticizing any one in any way. I am critiquing the reasoning behind some of the choices made but that's a far cry from criticizing the individual making the choice. I understand some people don't recognize the difference.

Secondly, I'm not even criticizing the choice of a semi-auto. I've even been known to shoot one or two (actually 22 of them but who's counting?), carry them daily and consider myself quite proficient with them. I guess you missed the part of this thread where I posted a picture of my Springfield XD converted to .460Rowland. I just do not believe a semi-auto chambered in a semi-auto cartridge is the best tool for the job IF something bigger than humans or deer are likely to need to be shot. I guess I probably lean on 30yrs of handgun hunting to come to that conclusion. Nor do I think that capacity makes up for a marginal chambering. Diehard semi-auto fans go through some serious mental acrobatics to justify using them for every conceivable purpose, while pretending the shortcomings do not exist.


A G20 or G29 is my choice. DoubleTap 200 gr hardcast will get 1300 and 1250 fps respectively from them and penetration is measured in feet. Realistically that is better than you can do with 357 mag and equal to 41 mag from 4" or shorter barrels. It is a LOT closer to 44 mag when 44's are fired from 4" barrels than most shooters understand. Of course with the same bullet the 40 is only about 200 fps slower and would work too. Even the 9mm when loaded with heavy hardcast bullets has proven capable.

They are lighter, more compact and more likely to actually be carried when needed. They are more reliable in dirty outdoor conditions and hold a lot more ammo. I might not be able to fire all 16 rounds from my 10mm, but I might well need more than 6.

And there doesn't appear to be any real advantage to a magnum revolver for protection. For hunting, where longer shots are called for then the power and accuracy of a revolver comes into play, but not for animal defense.
Once again, a 4" Mountain Gun weighs the same as a loaded G20. Do your homework. Once again, at 25oz the 329 is lighter than a loaded Glock will ever be. Not fun to shoot but the weight argument is nonsensical.

10mm fans thrive on cherry-picked information and seem to think that the rules don't apply to their pet cartridge. Penetration from a 200gr 10mm is not going to be measured in feet in live tissue. That is barely comparable to standard weight bullets in revolver cartridges. Here we're talking sectional density and velocity comparable to a .44Spl Keith load. Far from the same ballpark as the +300gr loads in the .44Mag or .45Colt. So let us please dispense with the crap that the 10mm is only slightly less effective. A 330gr .44 will penetrate nearly double. Range has nothing to do with it. And like I've said several times in this thread, what the 10mm does with a 230gr bullet, the .44 does with a 355gr. YES even from a 4" barrel.

Choose the 10mm if you want and delude yourself all you want but don't try to delude others into thinking it's "just as good", because it clearly isn't.
 
Several right here in this thread, try reading it. Read the OP again while you're at it.

Read through it again, never saw what you were claiming, which was ...

CraigC - "Folks VERY often claim the superiority of the G20 because it holds 15rds and they think they're gonna be able to shoot more often to make up for the lack of terminal effect.

Here's what he said in its entirety.

Moving to anchorage soon. I don't plan on doing anything crazy in the bush but would like to do some hikes in the mountains and trails around town. I have a safe full of .40 and 9mm autos and a few .357 mag revolvers that I could ship to myself during the move. Of course jingle bells and bear spray are on the agenda, but would a .44 magnum be a prudent purchase for those last resort situations or is it just fantasy/paranoia to worry about bear and charging moose? On the pre move visit, the urban moose were a bit intimidating and agressive. I havent shot a .44 but shot a few cylinders of a friend's .460 and didnt mind the recoil (it was less than my .357 scandium j-frame for sure). Thanks.

Edit: I did shoot a friend's taurus .44 with full power loads for a few dozen shots a few months ago and didnt fint it particularly horrible.

He mentioned "hikes in the mountains and trails around town" and that he has "a safe full of .40 and 9mm autos and a few .357 mag revolvers that I could ship to myself". He mentioned that he was getting some "jingle bells and bear spray" and then he asked for advice regarding a .44 magnum "for last resort situations" or if it was "fantasy/paranoia" regarding "bear and charging moose"?

Hikes mean different things to different people. It's Alaska, so it certainly preclude contact with a moose or a bear, but that's hardly the only threat.

I also didn't see a single poster claim that the 10mm was on par ballistically with the .44 Mag or any of the other large magnums or that 15 rds of poorly placed 10mm somehow equals 6 well placed magnum rds.

Not one.

You basically turned this thread into another of THR's infamous 'bear threads' when it wasn't necessarily the whole shebang. Congrats.
 
A G20 or G29 is my choice. DoubleTap 200 gr hardcast will get 1300 and 1250 fps respectively .....

I can't find any 200gr hardcast 10mm on their website....unless you mean the "10mm magnum revolver" ammo. Maybe they discountinued it? I'm also curious how your accuracy is with that load from a stock Glock barrel. Hickok45 did a little demo with some hardcast 10mm, and with a stock barrel he was all over the place. Then he put in a Lone Wolf barrel, which tightened it up.
 
I agree that anyone that thinks a 10mm is nearly as powerful as a 44 is delusional. It would still be my personal choice though because it comes in the package I’m used to and shoot well. I’m much more confident that I could effectively place say 1-3 rounds under duress and panick where they will have terminal effect than I could with a red hawk or N frame revolver.

The other aspect is I probably wouldn’t carry a large frame revolver with the frequency that I would a 1911 for comfort reasons.

That’s just me, doesn’t apply to everyone, and I agree if you can comfortably carry a 44 and shoot it well it’s a better tool for the task
 
Read through it again, never saw what you were claiming, which was ...

CraigC - "Folks VERY often claim the superiority of the G20 because it holds 15rds and they think they're gonna be able to shoot more often to make up for the lack of terminal effect.

Here's what he said in its entirety.



He mentioned "hikes in the mountains and trails around town" and that he has "a safe full of .40 and 9mm autos and a few .357 mag revolvers that I could ship to myself". He mentioned that he was getting some "jingle bells and bear spray" and then he asked for advice regarding a .44 magnum "for last resort situations" or if it was "fantasy/paranoia" regarding "bear and charging moose"?

Hikes mean different things to different people. It's Alaska, so it certainly preclude contact with a moose or a bear, but that's hardly the only threat.

I also didn't see a single poster claim that the 10mm was on par ballistically with the .44 Mag or any of the other large magnums or that 15 rds of poorly placed 10mm somehow equals 6 well placed magnum rds.

Not one.

You basically turned this thread into another of THR's infamous 'bear threads' when it wasn't necessarily the whole shebang. Congrats.
I quoted them in posts #27 and #37.


I also didn't see a single poster claim that the 10mm was on par ballistically with the .44 Mag or any of the other large magnums.....
Did you read the post I JUST quoted????????? Or are you just here to argue?

If defense against bear is mentioned, it's a bear thread. Sorry but I don't carry sidearms based on the minimum requirements for the lowest common denominator, nor do I suggest others do so. A .40S&W might handily deal with any two legged threat but it's a spitwad on your average brown bear. However, I'm pretty confident that a proper bear load will easily deal with any two-legged threat.

How about we discuss the topic of the thread, rather than critique the responses we don't agree with? Got anything of substance regarding the 10mm???
 
I quoted them in posts #27 and #37.
Awesome, now I have to chase down your snarky comments.

This is what the comment quoted earlier ...
CDW4ME :
"I'd take semi over revolver for capacity, speed of shots, easier to shoot accurately.
One might assume that if attacked by an animal (human) there might be missed shots, poor hits and/or hits that don't stop it.
Glock 20SF with 15 + 1 rounds 10mm would be my 1st pick
."

So now expressing an opinion about what he arms himself with is somehow 'claiming the superiority of the G20 because it holds 15rds and they think they're gonna be able to shoot more often to make up for the lack of terminal effect'? Seriously? He didn't make a blanket statement.

I saw nothing that claimed that the 10mm was superior to the magnums. (I'm guessing you mean ballistically)

You've also neatly avoided commenting on both articles posted that showed that people armed with 9mm's, .357 Mag, .40's, .41 Mag, .44 Mag and .45 ACP had an almost 97% chance of driving bears off (since you're so focused on them and forgetting about people committing crime on hiking trails near the city or out in the wilds or even other wild animals and feral dogs). That's pretty much every caliber on the spectrum.

Half of those are using something other than a .44 Mag. They must have gotten lucky.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/de...s-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz5Ucf4zGTb

If defense against bear is mentioned, it's a bear thread. Sorry but I don't carry sidearms based on the minimum requirements for the lowest common denominator, nor do I suggest others do so. A .40S&W might handily deal with any two legged threat but it's a spitwad on your average brown bear. However, I'm pretty confident that a proper bear load will easily deal with any two-legged threat.
Ironic, I thought that it was a defense while hiking in Alaska thread where bears were one of the threats listed.

How about we discuss the topic of the thread, rather than critique the responses we don't agree with?
Words to live by. Why don't you try doing that yourself.
 
Last edited:
I saw nothing that claimed that the 10mm was superior to the magnums. (I'm guessing you mean ballistically)
A G20 or G29 is my choice. DoubleTap 200 gr hardcast will get 1300 and 1250 fps respectively from them and penetration is measured in feet. Realistically that is better than you can do with 357 mag and equal to 41 mag from 4" or shorter barrels. It is a LOT closer to 44 mag when 44's are fired from 4" barrels than most shooters understand......And there doesn't appear to be any real advantage to a magnum revolver for protection.
I love it when people who don't hunt with handguns preach to those who do about what is or isn't appropriate for what critter. With that said, I'm done here.
 
I love it when people who don't hunt with handguns preach to those who do about what is or isn't appropriate for what critter.
It's interesting to me that you believe that you know what the experience of every single poster on this board is and that you set yourself up mentally in a position above us all.

With that said, I'm done here.
And with that the God of the forest exited the building.
 
Well, all predators aside, you are 1,000 X's more likely to use your pistol to defend yourself against HUMANS in Anchorage than you are a charging Moose or Bear in the sticks or Tundra..........

When in Alaska, if your are qualified to own a pistol, we have ''Vermont style'' carry laws, which means any time anywhere except schools, bars and court houses, you may carry concealed with out license.
You dont even have to be a resident, you can conceal carry while just visiting.....
 
Okay....Alaska has cold weather. Going outdoors you might get cold. A large revolver isn't going to be carried on body. Cylinder lock is a serious concern at even not very low temps. The glock 20 will to bang no matter what the weather. Cylinder lock means you don't even get one shot. glocks have become more popular among alaskans for real reasons, not because of spray and pray.
 
I think a .40 may not be enough for a brown bear. For bears that weigh up to 1,300 pounds or even more I'd think penetration would be very important. I wouldn't even use hollow points. I could see someone hitting a thousand pound bear with a .40 and really pissing that bear off. A rifle would be best.
Luckily S&W makes .500 with muzzle break on X-frame.
Congtatulations on your move to Alaska. Thanks to global warming in 20 years it will be a sweet place to live.
 
Last edited:
If considering such a situation, I would purchase the option making it least possible for a bear to get to me. A 40 does not make my list. There are plenty of good recommendations above. For me - A 12Ga with slugs and a 454 would be my choices.
 
The cartridges used were:

9mm - 4
357 - 3
40 - 3
10mm - 1
41 - 2
44 - 12
45 acp - 4
Unidentified - 3

My immediate thoughts on why this data is faulty is this:

44 magnum has the highest number of bear stop instances. It is also the single most widely carried and most popular bear defense gun up here in Alaska. Everyone has one. They're always available for sale used. Ammo is available everywhere. The number of guns in the field alone would guarantee that the 44 magnum took top spot.

That said, I think that fact tells a story on its own. There is a reason 44 magnum is the most widely carried caliber for bears up here.

I'm late to the game on this, and most of you know I carry a 44 for bears, so I don't feel the need to add more on that. However, I would suggest you think about the revolver vs autolaoder. The revolver will always fire, even when a bear is on top you and the muzzle is pressed into his stomach. Try that with an autolader.
 
My immediate thoughts on why this data is faulty is this:

44 magnum has the highest number of bear stop instances. It is also the single most widely carried and most popular bear defense gun up here in Alaska. Everyone has one. They're always available for sale used. Ammo is available everywhere. The number of guns in the field alone would guarantee that the 44 magnum took top spot.

That said, I think that fact tells a story on its own. There is a reason 44 magnum is the most widely carried caliber for bears up here.

That was my take as well. And I agree, it is telling.
 
.44 mag is good, but the glock is not worthless, if you have the funds Id take the .44 but keep the glock for the "city critters"

Sure. But the OP is asking about bears, not people. He's already got a bunch of 40s and 9s.

PS: I suspect the number of concealed carriers in Anchorage is on the rise.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top