Thanks Wardog. i did check out a Verona semi-auto this weekend at a local gun shop. seemed ok. lightweight, all black, good fit/finish, and it was only $309. i think i might go for one of those instead. i just want a gun for recreational trap shooting. no hunting or competition. i'm not very good at it so an upscale gun is really wasted on me. i just need a decent started gun. thanks for the pointers, i've never heard of Huglu. i'll have to check them out.
Bobby