N Y Times Opinion: It's Too Late to Ban Assault Weapons

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A surprisingly honest and candid opinion piece from an unexpected source. Not to say that it will do anything to stop efforts to make firearm ownership as difficult and as painful as possible...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/opinion/ar15-assault-weapon-ban.html


Opinion

It’s Too Late to Ban Assault Weapons

The half-life of military-style rifles ensures they’ll be with us for many generations. Time to deal with the world as it is.

By Alex Kingsbury

Mr. Kingsbury is a member of the editorial board.

  • Aug. 9, 2019

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With proper care and maintenance, an AR-15 rifle manufactured today will fire just as effectively in the year 2119 and probably for decades after that.

There are currently around 15 million military-style rifles in civilian hands in the United States. They are very rarely used in suicides or crimes. But when they are, the bloodshed is appalling.

Acknowledging the grim reality that we will live among these guns indefinitely is a necessary first step toward making the nation safer. Frustratingly, calling for military-style rifles bans — as I have done for years — may be making other lifesaving gun laws harder to pass.

President Trump on Wednesday — touring two mass shooting sites in Ohio and Texas — said that “there is no political appetite” for a new ban of assault weapons. Never mind that a majority of Americans support such a ban.

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Short of forced confiscation or a major cultural shift, our great-great-great-grandchildren will live side-by-side with the guns we have today and make tomorrow. That also means that we’re far closer to the beginning of the plague of mass public shootings with military-style weapons than we are to the end. Little wonder that major companies are now including mass shootings in their risk to shareholder filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Common-sense gun control measures can and do reduce accidental gun deaths and injuries, domestic violence-related deaths, homicides and suicides. Failure to enact nationwide mandatory comprehensive background checks, safe storage rules, red flag laws and robust licensing systems like those passed in Massachusetts is political negligence that will flabbergast future generations. How could they have allowed the sale of those weapons to civilians in the first place? Why didn’t they do anything about it after the mass murders began?

Laws that make it safer for Americans to coexist with weapons won’t remove the contamination of military-style weapons from society, but they will certainly save some lives.

Not only is confiscation politically untenable — the compliance rates of gun owners when bans are passed are laughably low. The distribution of these weapons across society makes even their prohibition nearly impossible. In 1996, Australia launched a mandatory gun buyback of 650,000 military-style weapons. While gun ownership per capita in the country declined by more than 20 percent, today Australians own more guns than they did before the buyback. New Zealand’s leaders, in the wake of the Christchurch massacre, launched a compulsory buyback effort for the tens of thousands of military-style weapons estimated to be in the country.

For context: In 2016 alone, more than one million military-style weapons were added to America’s existing civilian arsenal, according to industry estimates.


Not only are the number of total guns in America orders of magnitude larger than other nations, the political imagination is far less ambitious. Consider a federal assault weapons ban that Democrats introduced this year. It is purely a messaging bill since there was no chance it will win support from Republicans and become law. Yet even this thought experiment falls far short: The bill bans military-style weapons, except for the millions of military-style weapons already in circulation.

America’s gun problem is far larger than military-style weapons, the mass killer’s rifle of choice. There are hundreds of millions of handguns in the country that take far, far more lives — both homicides and suicides. Given the quality of modern manufacturing, a great many of those guns will also be operational a century from now.


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Thinking about guns as an environmental contaminant is useful in considering the threat they pose to ours and future generations. Like radioactive waste, a gun is most often handled safely. Depending on the type, it poses varying levels of harm to humans.

I put the idea of guns as an environmental contaminant to John Rosenthal, a gun owner and founder of Stop Handgun Violence. Mr. Rosenthal, whose early activism included being jailed for civil disobedience at nuclear power and weapons facilities, noted that, given the potential lethality of their products to humans over time, it is not surprising that both the nuclear industry (in 1957) and the gun industry (in 2005) secured federal legislation to help limit their liability.

Like many actual environmental contaminants, guns are not evenly distributed throughout the country. Nearly one-third of residents of the United States own a gun, two-thirds of gun owners own more than one and nearly half of all firearms in civilian hands are owned by 3 percent of the population. More than 60 percent of households in Alaska contain a firearm, while fewer than 6 percent of homes in Delaware can say the same, according to one study. Alaska has among the highest gun death rates per capita in the nation. More access to guns, more gun injuries and deaths.

The only way to cut the half-life of guns is to convince Americans that they’re safer without them. Yet with violent crime at historic lows and Americans still buying up semiautomatic rifles by the bushel, it’s tough to see what it will take to stop the spending. Meanwhile, fears about gun bans cause even more guns to flow into civilian circulation.


Those of us hoping for a major generational shift on guns are courting disappointment. Younger Americans are far less likely to own guns than in previous generations, but those who do are more zealous about them.

This doesn’t mean that cultural change isn’t possible in the long term. Perhaps children forced to participate in active shooter drills in kindergarten will develop a generational loathing of the weapons. Perhaps people who inherit arsenals from their relatives will dispose of the guns responsibly. Perhaps financial incentives like a tax on guns per household, tax credits for buybacks or mandating that gun owners carry special insurance could move the needle slightly. We already know that even modest efforts to remove environmental contaminants from a community are worth it.

Perhaps if gun control advocates frankly acknowledge that military-style rifles are going to be present in American society for many generations to come, it will help assuage fears of mass confiscation and give gun owners the space they need to support sensible safeguards that will save lives.

The guns — even those that make mass murders more deadly — are here to stay.
 
While the thing starts strong, it veers off into how to actually infringe on gun ownership. All this article is a caution about the method, not the end result.

Firearms have been around for 6-7 centuries, they are not vanishing into the ether just because people of a given political leaning wish it to be so. What we need is more education. Then the case could be made based on informed opinions, and not knee-jerk reactions and emotions.
 
The article states that an new AR 15 will probably shoot as effectively in 2119, and probably decades after that.

I often fire firearms that are a century and several decades old with no problems. If stored properly an cleaned and oiled, I see no reason why my firearms that date from the 1850's might not exist a, or several, millennia, and the same would be true of an AR 15.
 
Editorials are never about honesty.
The phrase "too late for ____" uttered in a melancholy tone is a rhetorical device writers use to garner support for the very thing being claimed to have passed timely consideration.
 
It isn't unreasonable to think there can be a cultural shift on gun ownership. Look at smoking. Today, you look at a smoker as some poor addicted soul to be pitied. As I have said many times, without a positive message for gun ownership, social disapproval will increase over time.
 
It isn't unreasonable to think there can be a cultural shift on gun ownership. Look at smoking. Today, you look at a smoker as some poor addicted soul to be pitied. As I have said many times, without a positive message for gun ownership, social disapproval will increase over time.
Right now, there's a urban-rural divide in attitudes about gun ownership. The only way this can be reversed is if the gun community makes inroads into urban areas, and especially into minority populations. I don't see this happening (for reasons other than guns).
 
Right now, there's a urban-rural divide in attitudes about gun ownership. The only way this can be reversed is if the gun community makes inroads into urban areas, and especially into minority populations. I don't see this happening (for reasons other than guns).
A major reason is the strain of White supremacism and fear of Black people on the other side. White anti-gunners I've encountered on many occasions seem genuinely afraid of Black people, especially Black people they couldn't control. They're not afraid of guns; they're afraid of BLACK people with guns. They've TOLD me so. I guarantee you that the same people hurling racial slurs at me twenty years ago because I wouldn't obey their ORDERS to support racially invidious gun controls are now calling their political opponents "racists". When called on it then, they claimed that they were just being "politically incorrect".

Black people are encouraged to be disarmed, passive and submissive. I've experienced it myself.
 
Right now, there's a urban-rural divide in attitudes about gun ownership.
This is changing thanks to Black Guns Matter



And for young black women - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...lated-information.849620/page-3#post-11098788

In addition to Black Guns Matter proliferating nationwide, we also have the National African American Gun Association with their convention coming up in 8/14-16/2020 - https://www.ammoland.com/2019/07/na...tion-convention-is-coming-aug-14th-16th-2020/



Rapper Killer Mike: 'I don't trust black leadership' on gun control - https://www.yahoo.com/news/rapper-k...lack-leadership-on-gun-control-170029724.html

"Michael Render, a member of the National African American Gun Association and staunch Second Amendment supporter, has advocated for black gun ownership as a civil rights issue ...

'Gun laws affect black people first and worst ... They don’t want you to have guns in cities for fear of crime and violence, yet the crime and violence [are] there ... So at what point do you become responsible for one’s one life? At what point are you going to buy a gun, are you going to train, are you going to commit yourself?

I don’t want to die from a home invasion ... In my household, there are always going to be 10 or more weapons ... We’re always going to be trained and proficient with them.'"
 
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I posted the OPs link already in another thread.

I tend to agree with the pretense of the headline.

The article makes some valid points as well as some disturbing suggestions.
 
Well first of all assault is an action not an object. Anything used to assault is a then classified as a weapon in that instant. Saying a gun is an assault weapon insinuates the assault is a self action of an object. This is blatant bastardization to insinuate assaults won't happen if the assault weapon, as they call it, is eliminated. Military might say assault weapon to infer their choice they deem best for the action but it still is not proper terminology.
These con artists have used this and other improper word usage terms to push their crap. Past time to call them out.
 
Well first of all assault is an action not an object. Anything used to assault is a then classified as a weapon in that instant. Saying a gun is an assault weapon insinuates the assault is a self action of an object. This is blatant bastardization to insinuate assaults won't happen if the assault weapon, as they call it, is eliminated. Military might say assault weapon to infer their choice they deem best for the action but it still is not proper terminology.
These con artists have used this and other improper word usage terms to push their crap. Past time to call them out.
The real military never calls anything an "assault weapon".
  1. assault rifle - A short, easily maneuvered SELECTIVE FIRE rifle chambered for an intermediate cartridge such as 7.62x39mm or 5.56x45mm.
  2. assault weapon - Has no fixed meaning. It means whatever an advocate of racially invidious gun controls wants to ban at any given instant., be it a match lock musket or an AR15.
 
Arguing over the meaning of "assault weapon" is pointless. By this point, people generally know what is being talked about. Besides that, the gun industry was complicit in this via some of their early advertising.
 
The real military never calls anything an "assault weapon".
The Marine Corps has an entire MOS built around assault weapons. The Infantry MOS assaultman (0351) fires the SMAW, which stands for “shoulder-launched multipurpose assault weapon”.

  1. assault rifle - A short, easily maneuvered SELECTIVE FIRE rifle chambered for an intermediate cartridge such as 7.62x39mm or 5.56x45mm.
  2. assault weapon - Has no fixed meaning. It means whatever an advocate of racially invidious gun controls wants to ban at any given instant., be it a match lock musket or an AR15.
Agreed. But it almost seems pointless trying to educate the anti-gunners on this considering way too many of our own don’t know this either. I get so sick of hearing gun people say, “There’s no such thing as an assault rifle!” Well, yes; yes there is....
 
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The Marine Corps has an entire MOS built around assault weapons. The Infantry MOS assaultman (0351) fires the SMAW, which stands for “shoulder-launched multipurpose assault weapon”.

Agreed. But it almost seems pointless trying to educate the anti-gunners on this considering way too many of our own don’t know this either. I get so sick of hearing gun people say, “There’s no such thing as an assault rifle!” Well, yes; yes there is....
  1. I don't try to educate anti-gunners. I show that they're liars. That educates the bystanders better than anything else you can do. It's not enough to show them the truth. You need to show them that the other side is lying to them.
  2. Assault rifle has meaning. Assault weapon is just a tool of deception.
 
As I have said many times, without a positive message for gun ownership, social disapproval will increase over time.

Well put, that's the nucleus of the matter.
Each of us should be thinking: how can I help increase the number of people who actually shoot, or who will use a gun responsibly for self defence? If those numbers don't go up, it's a losing battle.
Let's park it here.
 
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