ND by CCW holder. The reporting is almost unbiased and accurate. Wow.

[Rugerlvr]

http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_9522682

Herriman man dies after accidental shooting in Rush Valley
By Lindsay Whitehurst
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 06/08/2008 03:15:24 PM MDT

Posted: 2:35 PM- A Herriman man is dead after an acquaintance accidently shot him in the back Saturday, police said.
About 9:30 p.m., four men were working on a yard in Rush Valley for an upcoming wedding when the conversation turned to guns, Tooele County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Jason Sparks said.
The homeowner has an extensive gun collection, Sparks said, and he brought out a .45-caliber Springfield model 1911 handgun. A 66-year-old guest from out of state slid the rack back as he looked at the weapon.
The guest, who holds a concealed weapons permit, checked if the gun was loaded, Sparks said, but did not see a bullet in the magazine.
Sliding the rack raised the hammer, and to drop it, the man had to pull the trigger. When he did, the bullet shot from the gun and hit the 41-year-old Herriman man in the back. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
Police did not release the name of either man, and are investigating to decide whether charges should be filed. The two men knew each other, Sparks said. Their children are friends.
Rush Valley is located about 10 miles south of Tooele.

 

[loudsixstring]

The Trib has it's moments

 

[RP88]

the article didnt need to be biased in order to project bias. It was talking about someone accidentally killing a good friend. They just reported it to further the 'can't be trusted with guns' routine.

 

[F4GIB]

The guest, who holds a concealed weapons permit, checked if the gun was loaded, Sparks said, but did not see a bullet in the magazine. Sliding the rack raised the hammer, and to drop it, the man had to pull the trigger. When he did, the bullet shot from the gun and hit the 41-year-old Herriman man in the back. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

He's probably from Washington, Pennsylvania, or Indiana -- one of those states that require no training whatsoever.

 

[possum_128]

F4GIB stated "He's probably from Washington, Pennsylvania, or Indiana -- one of those states that require no training whatsoever."

I must ask.... what is that suppose to mean? I don't know what copy of the 2nd amendment you have but I don't see where it states that one must have training in order to keep and bear arms. And yes, I am from one of those so-called states that don't require training in order to bear arms.

 

[Picard]

With the freedom of owning guns, comes the personal responsibility of their misuse. It's a shame that this happened, but it does not matter if the man had a CCW permit or not. I'm sure that he has already received punishment by having the death of his friend always imprinted into his mind. It's a sad thing that happened.

#1 rule: A gun is always loaded. Even when it's not. Never point a gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy.

Mistakes happen every day. It's sad that some mistakes lead to death, but that is the reality that we live in.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

First rule broken : Treated the gun as if it was unloaded.
Second rule broken: Had his hand on the trigger when he wasn't pointing the weapon at something he didn't want to shoot.
Third rule broken: He pointed the gun at a human being he was not intending on killing in self defense.
Fourth rule broken by default.

I hope they throw him under the jail. Guns are not toys and F***ing around with them gets people killed. Would you crank up your car with someone is in front of it and nail the gas and hope it wasn't in a forward gear? Hell no!! So why do the same thing with a gun? Stupidity like this is what gets guns banned. At least the reporting was accurate.

checked if the gun was loaded, Sparks said, but did not see a bullet in the magazine.

Um, why the heck would you not check the magazine and chamber before pulling the trigger on a cocked weapon? Why would you dry fire a weapon with the magazine in if you didn't check the magazine and chamber at least twice.

It's not that hard. Drop the mag. Rack three times. Visually inspect. Finger in chamber. Make damn sure mag is empty. Load mag. Close slide. Point in a SAFE direction and pull the trigger. 1911s have three safeties (grip, thumb, and hammer must be cocked), but it doesn't matter if you act like an idiot.

 

[Standing Wolf]

I don't know what copy of the 2nd amendment you have but I don't see where it states that one must have training in order to keep and bear arms.

With the freedom of owning guns, comes the personal responsibility of their misuse.

Let me simplify, please.

1. There are no rights without responsibility.
2. The first responsibility of firearms owners is safety.

 

[Jeff White]

The guest, who holds a concealed weapons permit, checked if the gun was loaded, Sparks said, but did not see a bullet in the magazine.
Sliding the rack raised the hammer, and to drop it, the man had to pull the trigger. When he did, the bullet shot from the gun and hit the 41-year-old Herriman man in the back. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

I could say something really cruel about CCW holders..similar to what's always said about cops here....but I won't....

I'll just say that everyone, cop, ccw holder, sportsman who handles a firearm has a responsibility to know what he's doing and to follow the four rules. This guy broke two of them with tragic results.

Jeff

 

[romma]

I could say something really cruel about CCW holders..similar to what's always said about cops here....but I won't....

Jeff, I don't think the majority of the people that chime in with the "professional enough" line won't acknowledge that ccw holders and even all citizen gun owners are above negligent discharges.

I think the point most try to make with regards to their comments are that they resent it when either the police, or top brass, or some politician makes the claim that only the police can be trusted with guns.

I know I resent it. I don't resent the police as a whole, but I resent the contention that I am not good enough from wherever the source originates from.

 

[pyle]

First rule broken : Treated the gun as if it was unloaded.
Second rule broken: Had his hand on the trigger when he wasn't pointing the weapon at something he didn't want to shoot.
Third rule broken: He pointed the gun at a human being he was not intending on killing in self defense.
Fourth rule broken by default.

I hope they throw him under the jail. Guns are not toys and F***ing around with them gets people killed. Would you crank up your car with someone is in front of it and nail the gas and hope it wasn't in a forward gear? Hell no!! So why do the same thing with a gun? Stupidity like this is what gets guns banned. At least the reporting was accurate.

Agree with almost everything you say here. Only thing I disagree with is the part about jail for the guy. The rest of his life will be his punishment - no need to do anything further.

I will add this. ANYTIME I check a gun to make sure it's unloaded - I don't completely rely on my eyes or my fingers - I will go ahead and dry fire it into a target I wouldn't mind shooting (usually the ground or floor). However, I don't own any guns that cannot be dry fired.

 

[siglite]

He's probably from Washington, Pennsylvania, or Indiana -- one of those states that require no training whatsoever.

eeeeeLeet training like that DEA guy in a room full of kids?

No level of training fixes stupid. Several million people with permits in states with limited or no training requirement didn't shoot anyone in the back this week. Or this year. Or ever.

 

[RyanM]

He's probably from Washington, Pennsylvania, or Indiana -- one of those states that require no training whatsoever.

Because requiring no overpriced, frankly worthless, 8 hour training courses for CCW permits, and charging less than $150 for the permit itself allows those damn dirty peasants to carry concealed firearms! What is the world coming to? Guns should only be in the hands of those who are professional enough!

 

[yesit'sloaded]

Only thing I disagree with is the part about jail for the guy. The rest of his life will be his punishment - no need to do anything further.

He needs to do jail time for committing the crime of manslaughter. He may feel bad about it but that doesn't change the facts. We have trials by peer jury in this country so that twelve other human beings can decide what to do with him within the scope of our legal system. Remorse for wrong actions is all well and good, but the law must be obeyed or else we might as well not have it.

 

[OldCowHand]

The visitor appears to have been unfamiliar with the weapon. Maybe with the whole class of weapons (I know folks who are familiar with long guns and maybe revolvers, but shy away from semiautomatic handguns of all sorts because they're "too complicated"). The owner might have done well to ensure that the visitor was aware of the specifics of decockers, safeties and the like -- it might have even kept him alive.

That said, it still seems more than a little suspicious that we're only hearing the survivor's story. The line from Silverado comes to mind: "Offend anybody lately?" This could be a stupid violation of the rules, or it could be a relatively clever cover story. Either option fits the facts.