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I guess one needs to know what you do ED to know what the requirements are for an EDC flashlight small enough for your pocket. I mean are you a spy, regular Joe, ninja..... I mean when I'm off duty I find the flashlight on my cell phone to be plenty for looking for things in the dark. If I'm working, camping, or some other activity a pocket light is not my preferred tool for lighting.
 
I guess one needs to know what you do ED to know what the requirements are for an EDC flashlight small enough for your pocket. I mean are you a spy, regular Joe, ninja..... I mean when I'm off duty I find the flashlight on my cell phone to be plenty for looking for things in the dark. If I'm working, camping, or some other activity a pocket light is not my preferred tool for lighting.
I hunt, sometimes work night shift security, camp, hike, etc. I like a pocket light when I am at the range because I can shoot till 930pm and that sometimes pisses the range neighbor off. I shine it from 100yards to ensure no one is waiting for me at the shoot shack when I am walking up the hill. I take a light with me when I know I will be out all night. Also, walking the dog at night the deer tend to hang in the empty fields and don't much like the dog.
 
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I hunt, sometimes work night shift security, camp, hike, etc. I like a pocket light when I am at the range because I can shoot till 930pm and that sometimes pisses the range neighbor off. I shine it from 100yards to ensure no one is waiting for me at the shoot shack when I am walking up the hill. I take a light with me when I know I will be out all night. Also, walking the dog at night the deer tend to hang in the empty fields and don't much like the dog.

I work nights as a security guard also.

I carry two Fenix USB rechargeable lights. The lights were a little pricey but I've made it up by not having to buy batteries over the last four years.

The light I carry on my belt is a UC35. This is Fenix's description of the light

The Fenix UC35 V2.0 rechargeable flashlight is the 2018 upgrade to the Fenix UC35 flashlight. Fitted with the Cree XP-L HI V3 LED, this light delivers a maximum 1000 lumens at a distance of 873 feet (266 meters). Turn the light on and off with the tactical tail switch and cycle through the six lighting modes via the newly designed metal side switch—which also has a built-in battery level indicator. You can achieve an incredible 800 hours of runtime when using the new moonlight brightness level. Compact and built-tough, the UC35 V2.0 flashlight is IP68 rated; dust proof and waterproof underwater to two meters.

My pocket light is a Fenix RC05SE This is Fenix's description of that light.

The Fenix RC05 SE (Special Edition) rechargeable flashlight is built off the popular Fenix RC05. This special edition adds a tactical rear switch for on/off and momentary use. By adding the rear switch it transforms the light into our more popular two switch system, allowing the user to turn on from the rear switch and choose mode from side switch. All the other attractive features of the RC05 were kept like the innovative magnetic charging port. From a single 14500 rechargeable Li-ion battery (included), this flashlight emits a maximum 300 lumens a distance of almost 300 feet. This compact flashlight is very small and light weight, and its two-position clip allows you to easily clip it to your gear or onto your hat for hands-free use. The IP68 rating, which means it is both waterproof to 2m and dust proof, allows you to have light even in the harshest of environments. Small, lightweight and rechargeable, the Fenix RC05SE rechargeable flashlight will be your go-to flashlight for camping, backpacking or every day use.

I carry them both but the RC05 is the one I use the most. Neither description gives dimensions but the UC35 is 5 inches long and .750 inches OD. The RC is 4 inches long and .625 OD. The UC is for if I need to check something out or blind someone
 
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Well Olight is out! I only like a tail switch because its less fumbling around trying to find the button to turn a side switch on. I am now pretty set on the Fenix PD35. Its 1000lm and takes rechargeable and CR123 and about the same price as everyone else. My only concern is the 5''x1'' size of it may make pocket carry a little rough. I may have to tone down my lumen requirement and get something a hair smaller.
Have you looked at the M2R Warrior? It has a tail switch that always goes on in turbo, and a side switch that can directly access moonlight mode independently of the tail switch. It also has a reversible pocket clip. It was the prefect mix of tactical and EDC light for me. If you're willing to spend a bit more money, Vinh over at www.skylumen.com will put pretty much any LED you want in one.
 
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How hard are these cr123 batteries to find and can I use AA in a pinch? I found a nice stream light polytac x 600lumen on sale at cabelas but don’t want to have to hunt down batteries all the time.

Best thing you can do for your sanity is get yourself a cr123 battery charger on Amazon and 2-4 batteries. You can get some higher quality branded batteries for about $6 each. Between the generics with the charger and a few higher quality ones you will be set for about 5 years at a time rotating the batteries out regularly. I still do the same thing with 18650 batteries to have higher output and better run times.
 
I have enough 18650s to last for years, and almost all of them were free. Most were recycled from laptop packs and some old medical equipment. I know for a fact that some of them are over 10 years old and still work fine.
 
Best thing you can do for your sanity is get yourself a cr123 battery charger on Amazon and 2-4 batteries. You can get some higher quality branded batteries for about $6 each. Between the generics with the charger and a few higher quality ones you will be set for about 5 years at a time rotating the batteries out regularly. I still do the same thing with 18650 batteries to have higher output and better run times.
As long as the light can handle the 8.4 volts that a pair of RCR123As / 16340s will put out when fresh off the charger. Unless you meant to specify that he get LFP/LiFePo 3.2 V rechargeables. Most Surefires won't handle over 6.5 volts. Most of the nicer Chinese made lights like Olight and Fenix will run equally well on a single 18650. A single cell is safer than running a pair of lithium batteries in series anyway.
I have enough 18650s to last for years, and almost all of them were free. Most were recycled from laptop packs and some old medical equipment. I know for a fact that some of them are over 10 years old and still work fine.
I'm all for recycling, but there's no way I'd take the risk of running cells that old in a high drain, modern flashlight like the OP is looking for. I'd be surprised if a 10 year old battery could maintain the sustained current draw that some light demand in high and turbo modes. I think it's a little reckless to recommend this kind of stuff to someone who's this new to lithium batteries. It sounds like the OP is a long way from buying even relatively low cost test equipment to ensure safety with recycled cells.
 
As long as the light can handle the 8.4 volts that a pair of RCR123As / 16340s will put out when fresh off the charger. Unless you meant to specify that he get LFP/LiFePo 3.2 V rechargeables. Most Surefires won't handle over 6.5 volts. Most of the nicer Chinese made lights like Olight and Fenix will run equally well on a single 18650. A single cell is safer than running a pair of lithium batteries in series anyway.

Most RCR123 batteries are 3.6 or 3.7 Volts which is 7.4V for a pair. Not sure where you are getting your batteries. There are many reasons I don't use Surefire lights but if they can only 6.5V, that is another reason why I won't use them.
 
Most RCR123 batteries are 3.6 or 3.7 Volts which is 7.4V for a pair. Not sure where you are getting your batteries. There are many reasons I don't use Surefire lights but if they can only 6.5V, that is another reason why I won't use them.
You may wish to do more research. 3.6 to 3.7 volts is the nominal voltage, but they're 4.2 volts when fresh off the charger. Almost all high quality chargers use 4.2V as the cutoff voltage for a full charge. Some have the option to discharge back down to 3.7V for batteries that the user intends to store. Most protected devices, or batteries with their own protection circuit, use 2.5 to 2.7 volts as the cutoff voltage at the other end to prevent over discharge.
 
The Atomic light, advertised on TV (2 for $20) and sold for about $20 each at ACE hardware/Bed Bath and Beyond/Walmart sticked with the other as seen on tv stuff is really pretty good for what it is---plenty of light, focusing beam and tail on/off button and losing it wouldn't hurt nearly as bad as losing a $100 pocket light.
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The Atomic light, advertised on TV (2 for $20) and sold for about $20 each at ACE hardware/Bed Bath and Beyond/Walmart sticked with the other as seen on tv stuff is really pretty good for what it is---plenty of light, focusing beam and tail on/off button and losing it wouldn't hurt nearly as bad as losing a $100 pocket light.
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I'm sorry, but those are not good lights at any price. They're water resistant, but they don't give you an IP water resistance rating. Their website specifically says that the light can be used in rain or snow, but not submersed. They claim 5,000 lux, but they don't state at what distance that measurement was obtained. 5,000 lux at 1 meter is equivalent to 5,000 candela (cd) at 1 meter. If we're using the ANSI / NEMA FL1 standard, which atomic beam doesn't use, we could compare things apples to apples. The Atomic beam light doesn't include a battery, and the plastic zoom lens has low light transmittance. Atomic beam claims to use a Cree LED, but they don't specify which one. The Atomic Beam is just a repackaged version of the generic Chinese zoomie light, sold at a very high mark up. You can get the same lights for half the price or less on Amazon. If you're willing to buy direct from China through a site like Ali Express and wait on shipping, those lights can be had even cheaper.

In comparison, one could get a 550 lumen, 10,500 cd, IPX-7 water resistant (1 meter submersion for 30 mins), Wowtac A1 from Amazon for $20 shipped. That light includes a 2600 mAh 18650 lithium battery with an integrated micro USB charge port. Step up to the A1S for $6 more, and you'll get 1150 lumen, 19,000 cd, and a battery with a 3400 mAh capacity. Wowtac is Thrunite's budget brand, and those measurements are conducted within the FL1 standards. Wowatc also specifies which Cree LEDs they use. Those are actually good quality low priced lights.
 
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The Atomic light, advertised on TV (2 for $20) and sold for about $20 each at ACE hardware/Bed Bath and Beyond/Walmart sticked with the other as seen on tv stuff is really pretty good for what it is---plenty of light, focusing beam and tail on/off button and losing it wouldn't hurt nearly as bad as losing a $100 pocket light.
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My employer bought a bunch of those and put them in every car in their fleet. They lasted two weeks.
 
As long as the light can handle the 8.4 volts that a pair of RCR123As / 16340s will put out when fresh off the charger. Unless you meant to specify that he get LFP/LiFePo 3.2 V rechargeables. Most Surefires won't handle over 6.5 volts. Most of the nicer Chinese made lights like Olight and Fenix will run equally well on a single 18650. A single cell is safer than running a pair of lithium batteries in series anyway.

I'm all for recycling, but there's no way I'd take the risk of running cells that old in a high drain, modern flashlight like the OP is looking for. I'd be surprised if a 10 year old battery could maintain the sustained current draw that some light demand in high and turbo modes. I think it's a little reckless to recommend this kind of stuff to someone who's this new to lithium batteries. It sounds like the OP is a long way from buying even relatively low cost test equipment to ensure safety with recycled cells.

I wasn't responding to the OP. I meant to quote the poster above me, but I didn't do it right. I'm not running the old batteries in new lights. I use them in older lights. They've all been tested for capacity, and I use them accordingly.
 
I see those Atomic lights everywhere, and their knock offs. Have no interest. Putting the brightness in Lux instead of industry standard lumen is just marketing with high numbers. And having some no name "military expert" advocate for a product is just distasteful.
 
The Fenix PD25 is smaller than the PD35, has a tail switch and runs off a CR123 or one of Fenix ARB-L16-700U micro-USB rechargeables (basically a 16340 USB rechargeable). It will only do 550lumens with the 16340 or 400 with the CR123, but I find that to be adequate in a light this compact--in fact, I carried a 100 lumen light for several years and it was just fine.

Keep in mind that either of these two lights will only run in the highest "turbo" mode for a few minutes before the overheat protection kicks in and drops the level down to "high" from "turbo".
 
I've been a security guard for going on 12 years and most of that time I've been working nights.

During that time I've been through a lot of different flashlights. The first light I ever had was one of those mini maglites that was issued to me by HSS.

The biggest issue I found with lights is having replace the batteries. I had a Streamlight scorpion that I think was 140 lumens that took 2 CR123 batteries. I think I paid $50 for it and within six months I had paid at least that much replacing batteries and my wife threw a fit every time I had to go replace them.

Then I found a Streamlight rechargeable in a junk pile at a utilities site. I think all I had to do is replace the charger and maybe the light bulb. I carried that light for a long time but it was only 90 Lumens and I wanted something brighter.

I set a criteria that I wanted a light that would fit in my pocket, was it least a hundred lumens and took a commonly available rechargeable battery.

I ended up with a Fenix E12. I paid $25 for it probably six or seven years ago. It operates on a rechargeable double A battery and I finally retired it about a year ago because the tail cap started giving out. My wife didn't want to throw it away and she now carries it in her purse.

I replaced it with the RC05SE which is, I think, 300 lumens. And I paid $60 for it. And that light as I've said before is rechargeable in itself. So every couple days I go home from work, I put it on the charger and I'm good.

In between the time that I got the E12 and I replaced it with the RC05 I got the night rover job and I decided I wanted a good, heavy duty light that if I had to I could blind somebody with it. I ended up with the Fenix UC35. As I've said before I paid $90 for that light and in the four or five years that I've had it I haven't had to replace the battery I generally recharge it twice a week and I'm sure that that alone has saved me the price of the light.

During the time I worked as a night Rover I had the UC35 clipped my body armor but most of the time just for general navigation or if I wanted to take a look at a lock I used the E12. Even now most of the night I get by just fine with the RC05. The UC only comes out if I'm really concerned about something.

I know that most of this is has been repeated but the main point that I wanted to make is the amount of money that I've saved not having to replace batteries has really made the effective cost of the lights zero.

Again, for me that's a huge selling point
 
I got one of those atomic lights because I just had to see. so far no complaints. It will flash S.O.S. if need be, strobe or fixed on. Adjustable beam for flood or spot. Button on tail and has thumb lanyard. Mine came with a battery already in it. For $20 I can't complain, I haven't had a reason to complain.
 
I have been using these for more than a year now.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233375386707

It’s a little larger than the Eagletac it replaced but is a lot brighter, has easily adjustable beam, comes with 14500 battery (same size as a AA but 3.7 volts) as well as charger and about 5 times less expensive.

I bought several and one battery is always on the charger, so I just swap them and the light is always ready to use.

I also have one of these that is slightly brighter with the 14500 battery https://www.batteryjunction.com/olight-s1a.html they are more expensive but if you work around metal that’s being machined or ground, the magnetic base is a PITA.
 
I got one of those atomic lights because I just had to see. so far no complaints. It will flash S.O.S. if need be, strobe or fixed on. Adjustable beam for flood or spot. Button on tail and has thumb lanyard. Mine came with a battery already in it. For $20 I can't complain, I haven't had a reason to complain.
That's been my experience as well.
 
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