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New 870 Express 20 ga : Review

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Sporting Goods Franchise, weekly special, bought because I said " you need one of them.
$189 out the door without the J Lock.
Snagged Improved Cylinder Choke, Skeet Choke off the rack. I forget what these run pricewise.

"Let us run it through the paces, let us try to break it" - Lady said , owner of this gun.
My goal : to either bust Internet Myths or break this gun. One or the other.

Got it home, took it apart, all parts there, put back. NO cleaning to remove factory preservative. Only thing was using lighter fluid to flush out firing pin. Grabbed a bottle of Singer Sewing Machine Oil and ammunition.

Ammunition was a hodgepodge. From Thirty year old skeet loads reloaded three times too many times, all jumbled in a box with candle wax, electrical tape - or both, to Old Federal , Remington, Winchester target loads, to 700 old assorted slugs - some with rust on the brass casings.

Left the Mod tube in. We are going to run the gun, worry about patterns and groups later. Break it or Make it...

Started on Slugs. Five folks various targets from 6" and 9 inch paper plates, paint buckets and that heavy duty 6" steel target I was going to break off its mount, and we did have a private skeet field right "here". Mod choke? Who cares? Focus on target - not the damn gun.
AM/FM Cassette / CD player . Eyes, Ears, and with me in a Rebel gray bandana, I lead off. Loaded up with slugs, that steel target is mine, button pushed on player and...

If your going through hell don't slow down...(somebody find the link to them lyrics and artist - I likes this song ...)

The Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon CD was popped in and " the boy is Comfortably Numb for sure...

I was shucking and shooting and ringing that steel, an additional beef jerky stick was put in my back jeans pocket, when shells were added to shell pouch, from time to time a lit cigarette was stuck in my mouth...I was multi-tasking.

About slug 140, the steel broke, I did not cheat, I did not miss, I was going for that heavy chain welded on purpose...now for the paint can with rocks...

About slug 170 (guessing here) one of these rusty cases did not want to extract as well as I thought it should, squatted down and slammed that recoil pad down on a piece of cardboard, fingers said chamber cleared, shucked another round into chamber, filled up mag, and went onto to finish the 8th box of these old slugs.
Been a bit since I run 200 slugs straight as fast as could, not as young as I once was - no matter, just need to be young when you need to be.

"Gun did not break, Internet said it was supposed to break" - Lady owner said with wry smirk.

She added a drop of Singer Sewing machine oil to each rail. She snagged new target loads, and she started shucking and pumping, just shooting a stationary target, about a half a box into doing so, she held out the gun, muzzle down range and we dumped a bucket of fine sand like used in cigarette butt cans. Action open, trigger guard up, we wanted the gun to get sand into and everywhere. She finished her box, another shooter finished thier box.

Gun broke down as fast as could, hot soapy water dumped onto gun, barrel was off, fast battery drill of Bronze brush with wisps of 0000 steel wool for chamber, choke removed, RIG +P applied, snugged. Brake Cleaner to blast out the rest of gun, and put back together fast. Three folks, racing against time to get this gun back and running.
No lube- only RIG + P forchoke tube.
One more shooter ran a box and then we ran out of daylight...we ain't broke nothing so far but Myths.

I had the only glitch, truth be told , I should not have loaded that shell. Still, the shell fired, and the gun was back in the running in the blink of an eye...Keep the gun fed, keep it running, and just shoot the damn thing...

to be continued...
 
to be continued...

Please do. Very good read Steve. Looking forward to the end of the story and the end of that SG.

Someow, I don't think I'll live that long... :p


EDIT - BTW, the song is by Rodney Atkins.
 
Slug-fest

We had 500 slugs left. These needed to be used up.
We had two back up factory recoil pads in the event we tore up the factory one slamming the gun down from a bad case. Seriously, some of this old ammunition was that rusty on the cases.
We only use the only real recoil pad there is; Pachmayr Decelerator, when we replace one, or put one on a gun that comes without. We had a Pachmayr Decelerator,that would fit this gun, if we chose to use it.

Remember, bone stock, now has been cleaned , bone dry and only lube is RIG+P for screw in choke threads.

In two days we shot all but 10 rounds of the remaining slugs plus some target loads for folks that just wanted to shoot this fun - for the heck of it.

It rained and we still shot this gun in the rain. If you want to call rain "lube" - fine by us. WE had no hiccups. The gun ran, and folks ran it fast as comfortable for them, switching off, taking breaks and taking turns.

We decided with the round count to break down gun and treat it as we do.
Needless to say the gun was "slicking up" right nice.
Gun taken apart, metal from wood. Cleaned real well and inspected , no problems - just normal wear marks.

Inside of bolt hole treated with Johnson's Past wax , as was forearm area where rails are attached to forearm - removed using a real forearm wrench.
Recoil pad removed, and all the wood treated inside and out with Johnson's.

Stock bolt light coat of RIG grease, same for forearm "screw". Metal and Wood treated with Johnson's. Assemble, treat gun with two coats of Johnson's again, recoil pad screws treated with RIG then put back on.
Ballistol used sparingly to lube trigger group and one drop at rails.
This is how we do guns, except for using a Pach Decel as mentioned before.
This one was going to be tweaked for fit later on , so we stayed with the factory one.

Slugs shot, gun proven thus far, more slick...now about them other shells...
...just remember this is how we do guns, except for fit , recoil pad, and pattern board.

We ain't done yet, and it gets a bit ugly coming up next... just to give folks a warning...

to be continued...
 
Naaah. That can't be a Remington Express gun. Must have sold you a Wingmaster by mistake, or even one of those new seekrit 20 ga. Police guns Remington has been working on. Can't be an Express doing all that, not possible, Expresses have cheap plastic parts and break if you look at 'em hard...

lpl/nc 8^)
 
A firearm must feed and extract. Period.
This applies to shotguns of course, shotguns are very versatile and are used for many applications. Shotgun has to feed and extract, no matter the application.
Be it out hunting, clay shooting or more serious applications. It does not matter how many rounds it holds, the shot shells HAVE TO run in the gun - they HAVE TO feed and extract. It does not matter what anyone else's guns shoots, the shells have better damn well run in your gun.
Now once the gun feeds and extracts, one is very very wise to check a pattern board on pellet patterns and slug groups.

If the damn shells do not feed or extract - I do not give a damn what Team Walrus* uses, I want to know what a particular gun is going to run, and I want a variety of known loads for not only reliability - also patterns and groups. I am in the slug for serious use camp.

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By this time we know this bone stock shotgun, with factory Mod tube runs. It is shooting very good groups and the pattern density is fine...using the "eyeball and our combined experiences and guts says so" . Still this hodgepodge of ammo is mostly old, - some not stored real well, due to a tornado that come through and some exposure some years ago- meaning proper testing will be done with new shells.

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We are trying to either bust Internet myths or the gun - we don't give a damn which - just one or the other. Firearms are tools, and while we take care of them - we don't figure in the real world use, based on years of combined experience - babying a gun, afraid to get scratched, or exposure to weather is the way to go.
Serious situations- damn well better know one's gun and be an extension of it.

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Rain again, so what, we ain't gonna melt , don't figure the gun will. Being treated as we did - not going to worry about it.
Private Skeet field, "cow pasture" if you will and we shot, rain, dry, rain again, wind, we shot.
First time time allowed 4 of us to shoot 300 rounds each. 1200 rounds using the same gun, shoot, pass gun to the next - repeat.
Second day time only allowed 200 rounds each
Third day 300, Fourth day 200.

All we did after shooting was remove barrel, due to rain, and use a battery drill with a 10ga bronze brush, wisps of finest grit of Scotchbrite pad, to clean chamber.
12 bore 'patch' with Ballistol. down bore, changed out the choke to Skeet after the first round ["damn sure dusting them, what choke we got in here? :p ] So we stuck the SK choke in with RIG +P on threads . We don't get wrapped around the axle on some stuff...
Wipe out receiver, quick 10 ga mop in mag tube. Just minimal - quick to deal with rain...or when would not have done much other than clean chamber only and pipe-clean breech face, extractor and add a drop of lube "if need".

Gun is running, feeding and extracting, even with some crappy shells, in the rain and wind.

The fourth day, since it was raining, and there was mud and all ...and we were muddy and wet...

Just toss blobs of mud onto gun. I mean I was standing there shucking and shooting, feeding mag with left/weak hand, gun on shoulder in firing position,
and single, double handfuls are being tossed onto gun...it run.

I sloshed this loaded gun - muzzle downrange, finger off trigger, safety on- in a mud puddle, it ran. Fine, set it into a puddle of mud, and step on the damn thing, it ran, sloshed over to mud puddle and sloshed it some more to get these blobs off , it ran. Well phooey, this ain't no fun, just leave the damn thing in the muddle puddle and sit while I get under cover for a really good downpour , drink coffee and smoke.

Thirty minutes later...
Walk out in the rain , get shell out of chamber , let the water run out of barrel, mag is still loaded mind you, and shuck a shell into chamber, feed mag with round removed from chamber - and it works!

Gun was taken down completely as before , metal from wood and retreated as described before.

This gun was bought by a shotgunner, to be used as a shotgun for whatever and everything, no matter the weather, climate, conditions or purpose.

What is the round count so far? Not figured it thus far, plus any piddlin' round fired by others just wanting to shoot it.
Gun is running, only malf was the one I had using a shell I should not have loaded.
Oh, we have left the plug in this gun, restricting us to 3 rounds the whole time as well.

We ain't through yet, just schedules got in the way and a slight delay on finishing this "Busting Myths or Busting Gun".

* Team Walrus is a something I made up for a story I wrote. Some know the why and reasons *smirk*

to be continued...
 
BangBangBang
Slammed the butt onto a small steel drum butt-stroking the daylight out of it repeatedly, then run and DingDingDingDing...using the muzzle to physically knock down a small drum ( next size down from 55 gal drum) and move it 25 yards downrange.

Well...the reality is, this shotgun is a tool. No tool is any better than user of said tool. I needed the practice being as I was the user. Lady that owns this did the same thing.

Reality is - name of the game is to survive. Kick, bite, kick gonads, scratch eyes, butt stroke , muzzle punch, Cheat...whatever it takes - just survive!


I guess I should mention a barrel was found that had been shot without a choke tube with steel shot. Threads were not much good. Price was real right, got even more right when the threads would not take a choke tube period.
This barrel has since been shortened to ~ 23" and has been re threaded for chokes , external knurled which alleviates a stupid choke wrench, protects muzzle from dings, and ....we will go there later.

Recoil pad, like I said earlier , fit will need to be tweaked and will have a Pach Decel anyway - we don't care, we had another factory one anyway.

Just she and I that day and doing some stuff in the event matters ever get serious.
We take this being able to survive serious. Shotgun just ONE of the tools in the toolbox - not the only tool.
Don't mean you cannot beat the crap out of what needs the crap beat of out it to survive.
Shotgunners do stuff like this...

WE finally got to replace a part - the recoil pad. Someone else provided the barrel out of not knowing to NOT fire a shotgun barrel without the chokes, and did so with steel shot.

Besides, the gun needed a bit more character and soul don't you think?

to be continued...
 
Gun was taken down completely as before , metal from wood and retreated as described before.

Now that we have established the gun will run - to a point - we have more to do.

Gunsmith was out of pocket to do the tweaking of gun fit due to family emergency. He did have time to cut off to ~24" the aforementioned extra barrel with the ruined threads for choke tubes. No bead installed. This presented us some education opportunities for others.

Time to pattern this gun.
It does not matter what a barrel or choke is marked, what does the pattern board reveal?

Keeping a notebook, and making notes of ammunition , lot numbers of factory loading that is available locally, any recipes of ammunition used, distances - we shot.

Note : She has external knurled chokes that fit this factory barrel.
Both Factory Rem-Chokes and After market Chokes tested.

Busted barrel : *grin* Now folks "whack off a barrel" and lose choke. Lady that owns this gun, myself, and too many others WANT CHOKE in a shotgun.
We also have no problem shooting a shotgun without beads.

3 folks ran 100 straight using this busted ~24" barrel without choke, or beads, The lady this gun belongs to, another lady , myself and one person more new to shotgunning that ran 89/100.

Focus on target - not equipment - Will Fennell

Busted barrel is sent of to be threaded for External knurled chokes, forcing cone tweaked and due to where supports for vent rib - make it as close to 23" as can.

Original barrel and Rem Skeet choke and we just shot the gun. I used it to assist students, whomever wanted to shoot it did. Just folks did not clean it. Container of Ballistol was left with gun if needed a drop of lube and to wipe off . Make a note best can of rounds fired and any problems.

2200 rds no problems and not cleaned.
This with a variety of whatever loads folks had. Just shoot the durn gun.

Cleaning was done, using Ballistol. Just Field strip, focus on chamber, RIG on choke threads, breech face, extractor and brush out trigger group with a stiff brush.

"WE busted a Myth - huh?" - Lady said with cute smirk.

Epilogue to follow...
 
Will a bone stock shotgun run? You be the judge.
One is to test for themselves for gun fit (which encompasses a lot!) , Reliability, Ammunition choices tested using a pattern board at distances for tasks, and slug groups.

I am not mentioning any brands or loadings - except to mention a few things.
2 3/4" shells are all she will use. Fact is some of her other guns only accept 2 3/4" shells. Fact is, 2 3/4" is all I and most folks like "us" use, and have used forever for ducks, deer, and more serious uses.

#3 buckshot works GREAT in this gun. We shot for patterns and for snickers and grin - a box of dirt. WE shoot dirt. Jello is for eating, and boxes are for targets. Huh! I bet they think a girl can't shoot, and my Case Sodbuster with CV blades ain't a real knife either".

Basically Internet pissed her off. She ain't the only one.
Two camps or more exist on Internet, Shotgunners, those that own shotguns and not all sure what to call some folks with a shotgun nearby .

FWIW she is at 300/300 shooting skeet with this thing for fun.

"Internet says it ain't supposed to do this...I must be doing something wrong...I am just a dumb old girl after all, what do I know? ;)
Is this going to get me in trouble with Team Walrus? "
:D
 
Steve, thanks for posting the NET equivalent of an episode of Mythbusters.

Expresses are 870s. 870s run, regardless of finish or model.

I sure hope some of the folks who talk about tempermental Expresses that rust in Arizona see this thread......
 
I just bought the youth model for my boy. I'm no fan of the Express, but only because I've been raised with nicer guns. This gun should work fine for my son until he can handle a bigger, nicer gun. :)
 
Steve,
No shock that it worked that well! My 20ga Express has been run like that many a time. Well I haven't used it to push stuff downrange, just blow apart stuff! :)

Mine is an older model, without the plastic parts and J-safety. Does that make it less prone to be troublesome?

Might I mention, when lacking a wading staff, a shotgun with 28" barrel makes a danged handy one? Or that it has hit the ground many a time in steep terrain? Or how about the time my brother took it deer hunting in the rain and returned it to the safe without cleaning it. My was I surprised at what I found a month later! :fire:

Cleaned up Ok and still works like a champ. Has run countless slugs, field loads and target loads. Has a spare barrel too: 20" IC with Rifle Sights.

Look, my pretty guns are all rifles, and I have precious few pretty guns. My shotguns are tools for taking stuff down. The 870 fits the bill perfectly.
 
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