New findings from FBI about cop attackers & their weapons

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Intresting reading from PoliceOne.com...
New findings from FBI about cop attackers & their weapons
New findings on how offenders train with, carry and deploy the weapons they use to attack police officers have emerged in a just-published, 5-year study by the FBI.

Among other things, the data reveal that most would-be cop killers:

--show signs of being armed that officers miss;

--have more experience using deadly force in “street combat” than their intended victims;

--practice with firearms more often and shoot more accurately;

--have no hesitation whatsoever about pulling the trigger. “If you hesitate,” one told the study’s researchers, “you’re dead. You have the instinct or you don’t. If you don’t, you’re in trouble on the street….”

These and other weapons-related findings comprise one chapter in a 180-page research summary called “Violent Encounters: A Study of Felonious Assaults on Our Nation’s Law Enforcement Officers.” The study is the third in a series of long investigations into fatal and nonfatal attacks on POs by the FBI team of Dr. Anthony Pinizzotto, clinical forensic psychologist, and Ed Davis, criminal investigative instructor, both with the Bureau’s Behavioral Science Unit, and Charles Miller III, coordinator of the LEOs Killed and Assaulted program.

“Violent Encounters” also reports in detail on the personal characteristics of attacked officers and their assaulters, the role of perception in life-threatening confrontations, the myths of memory that can hamper OIS investigations, the suicide-by-cop phenomenon, current training issues, and other matters relevant to officer survival. (Force Science News and our strategic partner PoliceOne.com will be reporting on more findings from this landmark study in future transmissions.)

Commenting on the broad-based study, Dr. Bill Lewinski, executive director of the Force Science Research Center at Minnesota State University-Mankato, called it “very challenging and insightful--important work that only a handful of gifted and experienced researchers could accomplish.”

From a pool of more than 800 incidents, the researchers selected 40, involving 43 offenders (13 of them admitted gangbangers-drug traffickers) and 50 officers, for in-depth exploration. They visited crime scenes and extensively interviewed surviving officers and attackers alike, most of the latter in prison.

Here are highlights of what they learned about weapon selection, familiarity, transport and use by criminals attempting to murder cops, a small portion of the overall research:
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Thirty-six of the 50 officers in the study had “experienced hazardous situations where they had the legal authority” to use deadly force “but chose not to shoot.” They averaged 4 such prior incidents before the encounters that the researchers investigated. “It appeared clear that none of these officers were willing to use deadly force against an offender if other options were available,” the researchers concluded.

The offenders were of a different mind-set entirely. In fact, Davis said the study team “did not realize how cold blooded the younger generation of offender is. They have been exposed to killing after killing, they fully expect to get killed and they don’t hesitate to shoot anybody, including a police officer. They can go from riding down the street saying what a beautiful day it is to killing in the next instant.”

“Offenders typically displayed no moral or ethical restraints in using firearms,” the report states. “In fact, the street combat veterans survived by developing a shoot-first mentality.

“Officers never can assume that a criminal is unarmed until they have thoroughly searched the person and the surroundings themselves.” Nor, in the interest of personal safety, can officers “let their guards down in any type of law enforcement situation.”
 
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John Hearne gave an evening seminar on that study at this year's NTI.

What I came away from it with was the Violent Criminal Actor:

  • Didn't care about the weapon he chose. Having a weapon was more important than what kind it was. Similarly, he didn't spend time selecting the right gun. Whatever gun he could acquire would do.
  • His ruthlessness was instrumental in winning the fights he engaged in, not the weapon.
  • This was not the VCA's first fight, indeed he probably had been in several shootings before. Accordingly, he did not feel intimidated; the fear or anxiety which paralyzes a novice to inaction; and he in fact was so comfortable with close quarters fighting his intent was to get in close enough to make his hits.
 
"The offenders were of a different mind-set entirely. In fact, Davis said the study team “did not realize how cold blooded the younger generation of offender is. They have been exposed to killing after killing, they fully expect to get killed and they don’t hesitate to shoot anybody, including a police officer. They can go from riding down the street saying what a beautiful day it is to killing in the next instant.”


After ten yrs teaching in high schools and another eight working within the state prison system. I can't believe is they're just now acknowledging this :cuss:
 
Hard to believe unless you've seen it . People are walking the streets today that given the chance, while cornered, would not hesitate to kill another human, be they LEO or not. These people have no sense of remorse. I had the unfortunate experience of sitting on a jury in a capitol murder trial. Guy had killed one LEO and wounded another after escaping from prison. What struck me was the total lack of remorse on his part. All in a days work, to hear him tell it. I am not a psycharist, will not pretend to know the motovation of these people, but those off in la-la land who think a firearm will not protect them need a wakeup call. THERE ARE THOSE AMONG US WHO CAN RAPE, ROB AND MURDER, AND SLEEP SOUNDLY TONIGHT!:fire:
 
Good report, except.....

I would question this statement.

"[Criminals]--practice with firearms more often and shoot more accurately;..."

Can't quantify what goes on in the rest of the country, but in Los Angeles City/County, and Southern Calif., it hasn't been found that the "bad guys" do a lot of practicing with firearms. Just having the gun and ammo and "being strapped" is the most important thing.

Maybe it's different in other parts of the country. (????)

L.W.
 
3 rules of contact.

Be polite

Be professional

But above all have a plan to kill everyone you meet




Sadly because of the ones this article speaks of this is how we must go about nearly every contact we make in the course of our duty day, next time you meet a cop who seems a bit on edge thank a criminal.
 
Leanwolf said: I would question this statement.

"[Criminals] --practice with firearms more often and shoot more accurately;..."

Well, its because you inserted an incorrect subject into the sentence.

It was already provided:


"[would-be cop killers]--practice with firearms more often and shoot more accurately;..."


That's what the study showed. When Mr. Hearne presented the findings, he provided results which clearly showed how often the average police officer reported practicing and shooting his gun. He also showed the study's report on how often the average cop-killer, or attempted cop-killer, reported practicing.

It was skewed heavily in the Violent Criminal Actors' favor. Their responses were generally along the lines of: "Cops practice like every week shooting, so if I want to stand a chance in a fight, I need to practice alot, too."
 
elrod, there's a label for these people: "antisocial". Kind of an understatement, huh?

I'd prefer "rabid b@astard", but I wasn't sitting in the inner circle of the APA
when the last DSM came out.
 
Reviving an Old Thread - Bad Guys Are Good Shooters

I just discovered this thread, after a repost, which quoted the FBI study in more detail, was closed: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=453840.

I'll have to confess that this information is new to me, and has caused me to reconsider my pereceptions of the type of shooter you might encounter on the other side of an armed confrontation.

For instance, the idea that the bad guys practice shooting more often and put more bullets on target than police officers is pretty astounding. Combine that with the bad guys' propensity to be highly aggressive, in terms of employing force quickly, and it does change the equation.

Apart from the idea of getting to the range more often, this study seems to suggest that we should all place a premium on developing an ability to quickly employ our weapons in a self-defense situation. I'm wondering, what do you do to ensure that you can react quickly and accurately in a shooting situation?
 
THREAD NECROMANCY! :D

Proper protocol here is to start a NEW thread with NEW ideas or developments on the topic, with a link to the OLD thread if needed. DUP threads will be closed. Revivals of threads that have been dead for more than a year or so will also be closed... that way they can't be brought back, save by a link.

OK, zombie threads get head shots...

lpl
 
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