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Discussion in 'Activism' started by P5 Guy, Jul 10, 2019.

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  1. hso

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    Ok, you and the rest of us know that's a desperate Straw Man argument. The topic was about a group that is not typical of the characterization by Antis of gunowners (your theoretical WGOA is exactly the stereotype they promulgate about us) being beneficial to the 2A arguments against antis because it breaks many stereotypes about gunowners and firearms use. Any disadvantaged/minority group that breaks the Anti stereotypes about gunowners and the 2A can be useful if for no other reason than JPFO, Pink Pistols and, now, NAAGA can break the Anti characterization of gunowners as ignorant, bigoted, old white rednecks. You've pointed out the inherent risk of segregated groups raising the specter that those folks aren't comfortable/welcome in the big pointy topped white tent of the NRA, but there's always risk in countering stereotypes that use race as part of their quiver of darts. I'm about as Scotts/Irish looking a guy as you can find, but I financially support JPFO, Pink Pistols and, now, NAAGA as well as the SAF and think those groups can help defend it.
     
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  2. old lady new shooter

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    Not sure if you are asking for myself personally or for others.

    For myself personally I would be uncomfortable. While my skin is pale, my ancestors were treated quite egregiously by other pale-skinned folks for centuries. So a group specifically identifying itself as White People would not feel comfortable for me.

    For others, not my job.
     
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    Retracted
     
  4. P5 Guy

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    Irish American Gun Assoc.
     
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    Ever notice that some folks go to Churches that the majority are of the same race or ethnic back ground. We have a lot of Churches in my area where mostly Black folks go, churches where mostly white folks go, churches were mostly Phillipinios go etc. Could it be that these folks just like gathering for services, family events, social events etc just as simple as they enjoy the company of the same? Or is it something else that I am missing?
    Irish American gun groups, German American, Asian American, African Americans and on and on. Who really cares? Hopefully when they go to the voting both they are not hypocrites and voting for a Politician that is ANTI 2nd Amendment rights. That would be a enormous case of of Hypocrisy.
     
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    You're lumping groups based on country of origin with ones based on continent of origin. Totally different things.
    You mean like the one we have in Oval office right now?
     
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    I would certainly agree that it's not our job to force anyone to accept anyone else into their organization. If an organization wants to disallow or discourage certain people in their group, they should have the legal right to do so, for whatever reason they want, including skin color.
     
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    That's not what I meant. I meant it's not my job to decide what group a new shooter joins or where s/he takes that first class, as long as the instructors are properly qualified. IOW I was addressing the personal comfort of an individual. I think the INDIVIDUAL should choose what group(s) s/he wishes to associate with. I do not think a GROUP should exclude people based on race, religion, or physical appearance. I think it's perfectly fine to ask a person to leave who disrupts a class, in fact I know of such a case that happened in my own community, a woman didn't like the way a class was being run and accused the people running it of causing her emotional distress, they returned her fee and asked her to leave, which she did.

    For the record, I think offering a class entitled 'Pistol Shooting 101 for White People' would play right into the hands of the antis. So as a person who supports the Second Amendment I hope not to see such a thing.
     
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  9. GEM

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    The groups under discussion do not exclude people so to continue with the straw person argument is silly. I could use stronger terms.
    The groups have a history of strong discriminatory attack that has included up to genocidal violence. The attitudes of some in today's society and discriminatory behavior by individuals and government even today, give them concerns specific to their identity. Specific interest groups to discuss those threats and how to combat them, is quite understandable and negates the straw man false equivalency that appeals to some.

    It's that simple. They are to be commended and inclusiveness in the RKBA community is a real virtue and goal. It is a shame that there has been a lack of emphasis on inclusion by some RKBA "leadership".

    Anecdotally, at a match, a new participant (wearing all black leather) decided to mock a beloved member and organizer's sexuality as he wore ear rings. It is irrelevant that he is a straight married man. The group decide Mr. Leather pants should go home. He was sent away.
     
  10. old lady new shooter

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    I just wanted to repost this by itself in case people skimmed over it in the original.
     
  11. bearcreek

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    I don't think a group should do that either. That's not what I said. There is a vast difference between thinking a group or individual should or should not do something and thinking they should be forced by the government (or other people) to do something. I don't think anyone should drink carbonated, high sugar beverages, I don't think groups should name themselves based on skin color or continental ancestry, I think everyone should lift weights and do some sort of intense cardiovascular exercise at least a few times a week, I think every American should own and train with a military pattern select fire rifle. And, I don't think the government should force anyone to do, or not do, any of those things.
    I completely agree. What I find hypocritical is the fact that that changes in some people's minds if the members of the group in question have darker skin.
     
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    This isn't going anywhere since the same people keep repeating themselves (me included).
     
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