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New Jersey's new "smart gun" law proves that a gun ban
by any other name still has the same devastating results.
By Dave Kopel

"Smart Guns" is a slang term for a hypothetical firearm that incorporates computer technology so that the gun can be fired only by the authorized user. When used by the gun prohibition groups and their political allies, the term is a euphemism for "gun prohibition." And, as recently enacted by the New Jersey legislature, it is premised on the idea that using a firearm for protection is immoral, unless you are a government employee.
In December 2002, New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey signed bill S. 573/890, a ban on the retail sale of currently existing models of handguns. The law makes the ban go into effect three years after "at least one manufacturer has delivered at least one production model of a personalized handgun to a registered or licensed wholesale or retail dealer in New Jersey or any other state."

In other words, the availability of one model of "personalized handgun" for sale, anywhere in the United States, sets in motion a ban on the retail sale of any of the thousands of handgun models that are currently legal. (There are some exceptions for antiques and competition models.)

Banning the sale of every handgun except one or a few models isn't quite as complete a form of prohibition as banning the sale of all handguns. But it's pretty close.

The pretext for this new form of handgun prohibition is, supposedly, "for the children." In truth, fatal gun accidents involving children are at an all-time recorded low. In New Jersey, the Department of Health reported zero children in New Jersey killed in firearms accidents in 1998 and 1999, the last years for which detailed statistics are available.

Many legislators, however, are misled by claims from gun prohibition groups claiming that, "12 children a day are killed by guns." This factoid is manufactured only by counting an 18-year-old gangbanger shot while trying to rob a liquor store as "a child killed by a gun."

New Jersey Gov. McGreevey called the gun prohibition law "common sense," but rather significantly, McGreevey's "common sense" will be imposed only on the taxpayers of New Jersey, not on his taxpayer-paid bodyguards.

When the personalized gun bill was moving through the New Jersey Assembly, it was amended to ensure that its provisions would apply to police as well as the public. The state and local police absolutely refused to be forced to use unproven technology. They did not want their lives to depend on a gun that is as reliable as their computer; a less than 100 percent rate of proper functioning just isn't good enough when one's life is in danger.

Indeed, the New Jersey ban goes into effect regardless of whether the first personalized handgun functions properly at a 99.998 percent rate or an 80 percent rate. In October 2001, the New Jersey Institute of Technology, a university that is using government grants to promote personalized gun technology, admitted that the best fingerprint recognition system currently worked only 80 percent of the time.

New Jersey's personalized gun law states: "The provisions of this section shall not apply to handguns to be sold, transferred, assigned and delivered for official use to: (1) State and local law enforcement officers of this State; (2) federal law enforcement officers and any other federal officers and employees required to carry firearms in the performance of their official duties; and (3) members of the Armed Forces of the United States or of the National Guard."




Supposedly, the handgun ban was also meant to reduce teenage suicides. But there is no group of teenagers more likely to have a loaded handgun in their home than the teenage sons and daughters of police officers -- who are exempt from the law.
Simply put, personalized guns are too unreliable for the teams of bodyguards protecting McGreevey, but they're just fine for a single mother trying to protect her children from a violent intruder. The same legislature that won't mandate personalized guns for state troopers decided it was just fine to force these less dependable but more expensive guns on low-income citizens, like the law-abiding people living in gang-infested slums.

The anti-gun lobbies are especially opposed to citizens using firearms for protection. For this reason, the fact that personalized gun mandates make it less likely that people will succeed in using firearms for protection is no problem at all for them.

As Sarah Brady explains, "To me, the only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes." (Tampa Tribune, 10/21/93). Likewise, her husband, Jim Brady, was asked if handgun ownership should be permissible. He replied, "For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments." (Parade Magazine, 06/26/94).

Ironically, although the New Jersey law, which doubtless will be promoted as a model for other states in 2003, insists that personalized guns should be forced on everyone except the police, the guns were originally conceived as something only for police officers.

A significant fraction of police officers who are killed in the line of duty are shot with their own firearms or with firearms taken from a fellow officer. The U.S. Department of Justice's National Institute of Justice sought a solution by subsidizing research into "smart guns." Colt's Manufacturing Co., for example, received millions from the Clinton Department of Justice for its industrial research efforts.

In 1996, the U.S. Defense Department's Sandia National Laboratories produced a report to the DOJ on "Smart Gun Technologies." The report stated that reliability was the officers' main concern: "The firearm must work because the officer's or another person's life is at stake." Sandia concluded that an acceptable personalized gun must take no longer than a quarter-second to recognize the authorized user. Sandia did not find any currently available technologies that would be acceptable to police.

New Jersey's law does require that the attorney general determine, "through testing or other reasonable means, that the handgun meets any reliability standards that the manufacturer may require for its commercially available handguns that are not personalized or, if the manufacturer has no such reliability standards, the handgun meets the reliability standards generally used in the industry for commercially available handguns."

This language might sound good, but one should remember that the determination will be made by the attorney general of New Jersey, who is a political appointee of the governor, and will be enforced by New Jersey's Supreme Court, which is notoriously hostile to gun owners.

The practical guarantee -- as opposed to the political promise -- that personalized guns would be just as reliable as standard guns would be a requirement that New Jersey police use them also. But the actual lack of confidence felt by New Jersey politicians about personalized gun reliability is proven by the final clause of the bill: "No action or inaction by a public entity or public employee in implementing the provisions" of the bill "shall constitute a representation, warranty or guarantee by any public entity or employee with regard to the safety, use or any other aspect or attribute of a personalized handgun. No action to recover damages shall arise or shall be brought against any public entity or public employee for any action or inaction related to or in connection with the implementation of any aspect" of the bill.

In other words, no matter what McGreevey and his legislative allies told the public, they can't be held accountable for claiming the personalized guns would work in an emergency. If your husband and children get murdered by a criminal because the government-mandated personalized gun malfunctioned, you can't sue the government that forced your husband to use the inferior gun.

Personalized guns, however, have proven much more difficult to build than to imagine. As one gun manufacturer explained, the core design problem is the "meshing of a complicated 19th century mechanical device, the gun, with delicate and sophisticated computer engineering. With the footprint of an existing gun -- with controlled explosions, heavy percussions and vibrations, dirty residues and high temperatures -- electronics that would have to withstand this high stress would be imbedded. It is like putting a laptop computer into a gun and then having the computer decide when the gun will work, and when it will not."

Another technical problem for personalized guns is "chip twigglies" -- the name that gun manufacturers give to efforts to defeat personalization. For example, if a burglar stole a gun that used computer personalization technology, he could destroy the computer chip by simply baking the gun in an oven. "Chip twigglies" could be employed not only by thieves, but also by legitimate consumers (such as the people of New Jersey) who were concerned that their mandated personalized gun would not be quick and reliable in an emergency.

The greater the efforts that manufacturers make to prevent "chip twigglies," the less reliable the gun becomes for self-defense and the more unacceptable the gun becomes to police forces. According to Sandia, police insist that a personalized gun be usable in case the personalization technology malfunctions or breaks.

Accordingly, some manufacturers, such as Glock, are not investing in personalized gun technology at all, because they are skeptical that it can ever work reliably enough. Other manufacturers are spurred by polls suggesting that about a third of the public that does not currently own guns might purchase a personalized gun. Also, some current gun owners might enjoy a gun with a brand-new gadget.

Thus, personalized guns are likely to develop, eventually, a legitimate place in the mix of firearms purchased by the public--especially for firearms intended only for sporting purposes.

But to prematurely force the people of New Jersey to be the early testers for Version 1.0 of personalized guns technology, New Jersey politicians have made it much more likely that more law-abiding people will be murdered, raped and assaulted by violent predators, who doubtless will ignore the law and use whatever gun they please. And McGreevey and company have ensured that victims will not be able to sue their government for the injuries it helped cause.

The dangerous New Jersey mandate might also even cause an increase in gun accidents. Firearms safety instructors train students to treat all guns as if they are loaded and never to rely upon someone else's assertion that a gun is unloaded. Even after a person checks a gun his or herself and is certain that the gun is unloaded, he or she must still always point the gun in a safe direction. And the rule to never place a finger on the trigger until the shooter is ready to fire applies just as much to unloaded guns as to loaded ones.

Personalized gun mandates, though, encourage people to violate these safety rules, since the government assures people that they can rely on the gun's technology instead. Uninformed people who rely on gun personalization technology might also indulge their habits of unsafe gunplay even when they encounter one of the 260 million guns in America that do not have personalization technology.

The "smart gun" issue is couched in terms of cutting-edge technology, but the debate really involves the oldest issues in the gun-control debate: handgun prohibition, defensive gun use, the legitimacy of gun ownership by poor people and the dangerous conceit that anti-gun lobbyists understand gun safety better than do certified firearms safety instructors.

Some material in this article came from Guns in American Society: An Encyclopedia of History, Politics, Culture, and the Law (ABC-Clio), for which Kopel was a co-editor, and the Connecticut Law Review article "Smart Guns/Foolish Legislators," which Kopel co-authored with Cynthia Leonardatos and Paul Blackman. That article, which includes citations for much of the material discussed here, is available at www.davekopel.org.
 
SOunds like a lawsuit is in order. The question is who in New Jersey will do it? I will send a check should a suit be started!
 
The underlying problem is that good leadership is virtually nonexistent in New Jersey politics. The political landscape just needs to change. There's some real good ones waiting in the wings. I hope they learn how to run a campaign among the sheeple. I think that they just have to throw caution to the wind and embrace conservative, core American values even though it'll cause of firestorm of criticism among the total idiot, moron masses.
The guy at UPS asked me if I predict terrorism on American soil once the war begins. The place was packed. I said, "Definitely. And it'll probably be in New Jersey where is illegal to defend yourself. Maybe it'll be a good thing as it may clear out some of the ****** liberals who are ruining this country anyway." No one said a word. You could hear a pin drop. That may have been wrong for me to say, but it's too late.
 
Excellent report.

I don't see how the NJ law can pass Constitutional muster, but it's not likely to be so challenged for years.
 
The silence was from the LIE-berals, trying to think about your statement. And 'there lies the rub'...the LIE-berals are not prepared to think.:evil:

VERY WELL DONE, INDEED ! ! ! ! ! !
 
This sounds just like "GW is stupid" statements. "Liberals don't think"...yet they have succeeded in imposing a lot of their views on others. Are you guys saying that we are losing or barely holding even against stupid people?

(FWIW, re-visit some threads about what Liberal means to other THR folks...this might be a completely meaningless label these days, as so many people self-identify as L. and yet have nothing in common with the NJ elected scum.)
 
Good question. Seems like maybe 40% or more of the people that I speak with in New Jersey understand and agree with the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Maybe 25% or less absolutely approve of a total gun ban. The other 35% or so really don't know or care all that much. This unscientific research would suggest that we will win the war against Constitutional Rights with good leadership. Currently, we're losing the war against "stupid people", but it's us who voted in the scum so I'll take at least half of the credit.
As a side note, one of my customers and I had a very involved and respectful discussion on the matter. We covered many issues. He's absolutely entirely against capital punishment. Later, then, he said that we will solve all gun related problems if we pass a law that says you will be killed if you possess a gun for any reason. My mind couldn't process the arguement and, apparently there's many others like him with a very limited mental capacity.
The problem is that our corrupt state government is so screwed up that no one would hardly know where to start to clean it up. There's always hope, but there's always Pennsylvania too.
I have a confession: I'm about to become an assistant soccer coach. Please have mercy on me.
 
I don't think you folks get it yet. Please re-read this quote from the above article.

In other words, the availability of one model of "personalized handgun" for sale, anywhere in the United States, sets in motion a ban on the retail sale of any of the thousands of handgun models that are currently legal.

Now, here's a quote from the bill, defining what is considered a smart gun.

Personalized handguns, which commonly are referred to as "childproof" handguns, are defined in the bill as handguns that incorporate within their design, and as part of their original manufacture, technology which limits their operational use so that they can only be fired by an authorized or recognized user. The technology may involve a variety of systems, such as biometric, mechanical or electronic systems, which restrict the operation of the handgun through radio frequency tagging, touch memory, remote control, fingerprint, magnetic encoding or other automatic user identification programs.

In the next few months, Rohrbaugh plans on introducing the MS-9. The MS-9 requires that the user wear a magnetic encoded ring, in order to operate the handgun. The MS-9 will be a production smart gun under this bill.

We're not talking about something that will take place in the future, or the sweet by and by. This law takes effect the moment Rohrbaugh ships the very first MS-9!

Now do you get it?!!
 
No, it will go into effect three years after they sell that first handgun.

Read the following quote from the article:
"The law makes the ban go into effect three years after "at least one manufacturer has delivered at least one production model of a personalized handgun to a registered or licensed wholesale or retail dealer in New Jersey or any other state."
 
Yes TexasVet,
I understand the built in 3 year delay. I know this law inside & out. Right now the law is sitting in limbo. As long as a gun manufacturer does not VOLUNTARILY produce a smart gun, the law could sit idle forever.

Is everyone so star struck by the R-9, that they don't care what the MS-9 will do to an entire state of gun owners? I wonder what kind of reaction there would be, if Smith was the one responsible for starting the clock ticking?
 
This law is one of the worst things that could happen to law abiding citizens. Think of the fuel this will be for all the rest of the gun grabbers and pro victim disarmament people in the rest of the states. This will embolden them. This law needs to be challenged and quick. I can't beleieve something like this can even pass in this country. California couldn't even manage to pass this one.
 
"Smart Gun" technology is a Trojan Horse

"Smart Gun" technology will build into firearms the defects that have never been inherent to firearms and have never been found to be so by the courts.

The future consequence of "smart guns" will be that the firearms manufactures who produce them will be sued into oblivion when they fail.

The firearms manufacturers who do not manufacture them will be sued into oblivion because they continued to manufacture inherently unsafe firearms which did not incorpporate the safety features of "smart guns".
 
I guess this'll be a good litmus test if New Jersey is beyond repair or not. This is so insane that if it moves forward then we are truly hopeless. If it falls by the wayside then there is hope. Either way is probably out of my control, but I'll do my best. The New Jersey story is really getting old. I guess that, in the end, everyone's free to live how they choose and everyone gets whatever they deserve - in the end, that is. Also, I've had too much coffee today. Oh, and go **** yourself.
 
Gusgus said:
In the next few months, Rohrbaugh plans on introducing the MS-9. The MS-9 requires that the user wear a magnetic encoded ring, in order to operate the handgun. The MS-9 will be a production smart gun under this bill.
Rorhbaughs are NOT smart guns! Even with their magnetic trigger lock, they're NOT smart guns. Their proposed MS-9s are just equipped with a device that requires a magnetic coupling to release the trigger. Rohrbaugh has never termed them "Smart Guns". They have touted them as "Safe Guns" meaning that if there's no magnet, the gun is safe.

They're liable to be called "STUPID gun" more often than anything else if they EVER come out because the required rings are going to be a royal PITA.

As I understand the NJ law, the magnetic trigger lock devices that have been available for a long time for revolvers and the one that's proposed for the MS-9 will not qualify the guns as "smart" because they do not personalize the guns to a particular user. Anybody with a magnet or magnetic ring can fire any gun equipped with the devices, and that's not very smart....
 
Rorhbaughs are NOT smart guns! Even with their magnetic trigger lock, they're NOT smart guns. Their proposed MS-9s are just equipped with a device that requires a magnetic coupling to release the trigger. Rohrbaugh has never termed them "Smart Guns". They have touted them as "Safe Guns" meaning that if there's no magnet, the gun is safe.

The problem is that it isn't up to the company to decide whether or not it is considered a 'smart gun'. It's up to the State Attorney General alone.

As I understand the NJ law, the magnetic trigger lock devices that have been available for a long time for revolvers and the one that's proposed for the MS-9 will not qualify the guns as "smart" because they do not personalize the guns to a particular user. Anybody with a magnet or magnetic ring can fire any gun equipped with the devices, and that's not very smart....

Actually, that kind of tech is exactly what NJIT has been researching, among others. It doesn't have to personalize it to that extent....unfortunately, the law isn't that definite....it only has to have some sort of system wherein anyone 'not authorized' is unable to fire the gun. With the 'magnetic ring', only the holder of the ring can fire the gun, and that in effect is a personalization. Believe me, I agree with you on it, but with the new AG being one of the instrumentors of the states assault weapons ban, I have high doubts that he'll be as stringent in applying the criteria.
 
Thank you whoami.

Blackhawk,
Though I may agree with you that technically, the MS-9 is not a true smart gun, it will be "smart enough", to start this law rolling. It doesn’t matter what you or I think. All that matters, is what Peter Harvey, our anti-gun Attorney General thinks, and believe me, he’s licking his chops just waiting for a handgun like the MS-9. BTW, you’re argument that this technoloy is already available in aftermarket products doesn’t hold water in regards to this law. The law requires the technology to be factory installed, as standard equipment, in a production handgun. The MS-9 will be the first production handgun, to have a magnetic sear factory installed as standard equipment.

Oh, and by the way, here's a quote from Rohrbaugh's web site.

A final feature is the Safe-Gun Technology. Each Rohrbaugh MS-9 is fitted with a patented magnetic safety sear. We will be offering in the future an electromagnetic system with PIN coding.

If by some miracle, the magnetic sear MS-9 is not considered a smart gun, the electromagnetic one definitely will.
 
The original Sandia report stated that rings, bracelets, etc. were unacceptable. Anyway, haven't magnetic rings been an option on some production gun or other for a while?

I'm glad that NRAILA finally realizes that they can't bargain with a snake like McGreasy. Or with PRNJ Democrats in general.

- pdmoderator
 
The original Sandia report stated that rings, bracelets, etc. were unacceptable. Anyway, haven't magnetic rings been an option on some production gun or other for a while?

True, pd...but if the local.gov isn't even bothering to listen to the NJIT study they spent several million dollars of taxpayer money for (the one that said there are a number of factors, such as cost and liability issues, that must be examined before any efforts of legislation are made), I doubt they'll bother to listen to Sandia. IIRC I think the Sandia report was what got some national police orgs to oppose the 'smart gun issue', as not a single submitted technology received above a C rating...

And with a State Supreme Court that can make up laws out of thin air.......
 
Good points, guys.

The good news is that the Rohrbaugh MS-9 is not in production.

The better news is that the first Rohrbaugh will the the R-9.

The best news will be that the MS-9 will not go into production. (But I'm waiting for that news.)
 
I wonder if Kali, IL, NY, MD or NJ will be the first state to go so far across the line that a violent reaction will be provoked?

While these would-be tyrant get all worked into a lather over handguns and "assault rifles", they are too stupid to consider the implications of ten million scoped deer rifles floating around in private hands.

These idiots, who are so happy to shred the Constitution if they think it will win them 51% of the votes in their districts, are too damn stupid to realize that it is not in any way possible to put a 500 yard security zone around themselves.

That's the basic premise of my RKBA novel, "Enemies Foreign And Domestic". You can read the first half of it that's posted on the website.
 
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