New keltec P3at Extractor problem (and fix)

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mountaindrew

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Hey all. I just purchased a new second gen P3at after finaly recieving my ccw permit in the mail form Florida. (yay! :) ) I tokk it out to the range after doing a thorough cleaning and a very light fluff and buff to polish the feed ramp and the slide rails and take the casting flash of of the triger and inside of the trigger gaurd ( the P11 was chafing my trigger finger untill I did this)

The gun coulndt get through a magazine without jamming, randomly.
The MO of the jamm was always the same, empty shell not completely pulled from the chamber and the next round jammed up on the feedramp beneath it.
I looked really closely at the empty shells rime and not suprizingly, I found a very tiny gouge in the rim where the extractor slipped of the rim.

I stipped the pistol and checked the extractor with a rim of a case and tere was almost no tension. The extractor gripped the shell just barely, but the shell could still wiggles and if it was all the way on the other side of the breachface (not really that far but there is a millimeter or so of clearance) the extractor barly caught the rim.

So here is my fix: I removed the frankenbolt while carefull to catch the firing pin and spring, removet the extractor and sping. The extractor has a flat surface that lays up against a flat on the frame behind the breach face and behind the extractor hook. I simply ground away a tiny bit of metal from the inside face of the extractor to clearance it so the extractor hook would be able to move closer to the center of the breechface. I cleaned up the surface with a jewlers file and reinstalled the parts. When I checked the tension, the extractor tension was enought to hold a round against the breechface tightly. Score! I then used a copper bristle bore brush with some polishing compound (Mothers) to ploish the chamber just to be safe.

I went back to the range yesterday and problem solved! not a single jam in two boxes of magtech, and every ejected empty has a good solid notch on the rim from the extractor yanking it out of the chamber, compared to the tiny little mark the rims had before.

PS, The recoil is not nearly as bad as I expected, after reading some many posts about the guns strong kick. I did not find it the least bit uncomfortable.

The hits were however all to the right, the acurace was not bad at seven yard but the groups were all ofset to the right.
 
Great job of problem analysis and home-gunsmithing! I love stories like this.

Have you tried bench-resting the P-3AT? It could be shooting right because of your hold during the long trigger pull. Or maybe not...
 
I tried this on the Gen one extractor to get it to extract Wolf steel cases. Took it to where the rounds wouldn't slip under the extractor to feed. Tapping the back of the slide to chamber them still led to extraction failures upon shooting :(

Be happy your mod worked on your gun.

My P3AT standard extractor works fine on all the brass cased ammo I've tried and aluminum Blazer. Fails with all three brands of steel cased ammo I tried. What's even stranger is Wolf .380 works great in my wife's Beretta 85 which has no extractor at all!

--wally.
 
If you SG P-3AT starts having failures after another 100 rounds, check your Allen screw. After they have been loosened, some Allen screws have a tendency to back out, especially if shooting Cor-Bob or Santa Barbara. A smidgen of blue Loctite on the top couple of threads (too much can be bad on the firing pin) can help.
 
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