New Regulations on Shooting Ranges Suggested

[CmdrSlander]

One of my friends who has an FFL told me that the ATF has sent out a memo to FFL holders that operate shooting ranges on their premises asking them to "assess the feasibility of compliance with the following regulations..."

-Run NICS checks on all persons wishing to utilize the range when they either first sign up for a membership or, if the range allows walk ins, every time an individual pays to use the range.

-Report any suspicious activity such as: shooting targets that appear to be lifelike renderings of identifiable persons or locations, to include public and private individuals and structures; refusing to submit to background checks; asking after "deadly" or "quiet" ammunition.

My friend could be full of crap or misinterpreting something, but if he's not this could be a very clever attempt to put the squeeze on the gun culture by attacking where we shoot instead of what we shoot. The reasoning behind the regulations seems to be that Adam Lanza practiced at a shooting range before going on his rampage.

What are your thoughts on this?

Also, if we could get someone who has an FFL and runs a range to confirm/deny this that would be splendid.

 

[David E]

I think it's a bunch of horse crap.

 

[CrypticStatic]

I'd have to agree that info is crap. Can you imagine the amount of time, cost and strain on the NCIS system if they checked everyone that went to the shooting range on a given day? No way that info is accurate...

 

[HankR]

Can you imagine the amount of time, cost and strain on the NCIS system if they checked everyone that went to the shooting range on a given day?

Also, adding this much noise to the [strike]gun registration files[/strike] NICS database would cause a mess when it came time to try to confiscate the guns (I mean, if the feds like maybe forgot to erase it or something)

 

[Joke & Dagger]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I would think that driving gun ranges out of business is an essential portion of the overall Progressive Civilian Disarmament Plan.

 

[silicosys4]

Much outcry has been made in the media of late about multiple cases of felons going to gun ranges and renting guns. If true, I wouldn't be surprised if this is at least partially to address this...

 

[InkEd]

It would not shock me. The ATF is an appointed agency that really oversteps its boundries on a regular basis. Also, this is the same POTUS who set-up toll free numbers to report anything your neighbors say negative about the government and any negative press about himself. So, it does not come out of left field to see a request for private business owners to snitch on their customers and force them to go through alot of red tape be put on a government list.

 

[gc70]

What are your thoughts on this?

Let's look at what has been proposed in Congress.

Moran's H.R.21 requires background checks for all transfers between unlicensed individuals with a few exception - including "a temporary transfer of possession" at certain shooting ranges and competitions.

Feinstein's S.150 requires background checks for all transfers of "assault weapons" between unlicensed individuals with a few exceptions - including "a temporary transfer of possession" when shooting at a "licensed target facility" (?!?) or established range.

Put that together with existing law and you have background checks for all sales, whether by dealers or individuals, and all "temporary transfers of possession" other than the specified exceptions. What is the big hole in this scheme? No background checks when dealers rent guns at ranges or when individuals bring guns to a range and share them. The easiest way to plug the hole would be to require range operators to do background checks on everyone using ranges.

 

[texasgun]

"One of my friends who has an FFL told me that the ATF has sent out a memo to FFL holders"

bunch of horse crap. sorry. IF in fact that memo would have gone out to numerous gun ranges... I'm pretty, pretty sure we would have heard about it.
and from more legit sources than a friend of a friend...

 

[Fishslayer]

Awhile back the ATF (mighta been DOJ?) sent fliers to gun stores with a list of domestic terrorist red flags. I think the store owner took it into the head or somethin'. Never saw it again.

 

[splithoof]

^^^^^^^^^In my employment I regularly receive memos form HS regarding "suspicious activity" reporting, and lists of potential indicators about the group being profiled in that particular memo. I have seen more than one that mentioned individuals who purchase "larger than normal" amounts of ammunition, prefer to use cash, don't say much, and refuse to divulge personal information.
I have no doubt that ATF (or some other version of Big Brother) desires to collect more and more info about just exactly who is using all the ammo/guns that have been purchased over the last few years. I could see legislation that requires access to club records regarding membership, range activity, etc., to be undertaken by various agencies performed.

 

[hnk45acp]

Sounds crazy, using range personnel to enforce NICS checks but I have to tell you, in NYC the one gun range we have in Manhattan does this. So it may sound crazy but there is precedent

 

[SoCalNoMore]

It is BS, but this is part of their entire agenda to get all weapons off the street. A snitch system is in discussion too. Your neighbor will get a cookie for alerting authorities if you are taking too many guns to your car.

This is why we can not give the gun grabbers an inch. They are dead set on taking all guns out of the hands of US citizens. :banghead:

 

[LiveLife]

Looks like the antis are not happy with what they thought was a slam dunk and the entire nation would support ANYTHING they pushed ... signs of desperation IF they are indeed spreading such rumors.

Sad.

I think what will happen likely is that the righteous people will continue to rise and stand together to support the Constitution and vote out the law makers who promised to defend the Constitution but instead are working to take the rights away from the citizens.

 

[Bubbles]

Story is BS. The only lawful reason for an FFL to contact NICS is for transferring a firearm.

If the FFL is talking about this flyer - http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/FBInotice00.pdf - it says nothing about running NICS on range users.

 

[gossamer]

The buzzer on my "Potential Tin Foil Content" meeter went off when I read this:

asking after "deadly" or "quiet" ammunition.

Unless someone seriously entertains the idea that the BATF wants to follow up every time someone asked to buy a box of range ammo at a range.

 

[Justin]

If he received a memo, scan a copy of it and upload it.



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[Bianchi?]

If he received a memo, scan a copy of it and upload it.



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Excellent idea.

 

[Rembrandt]

Our club does not have an FFL and our unsupervised range is comprised of a 1000 members.....if it were true wouldn't work very well here.

 

[mrvco]

We already have a de facto ~14-day waiting period due to the backlog now... which by (any anti's) definition means we are all safer now... further burdening the system should push it out even further... mission accomplished?

The second one actually sounds plausible, but I would have that "report any suspicious activity" was SOP anyway for FFL's... You know, If you see something...

 

[22-rimfire]

I think under the President's direction the ATF is probably looking at additional ways to identify people who might be shooting, and so forth. I will wait until I hear from some other FFL dealers if they received the same memo.

As for the reported content, I think it would just make the sport more costly and serve as another control mechanism. Indoor ranges are generally not cheap to shoot at. Pricing varies a lot between states and areas. To me, spending $10-$15 just to be able to shoot is not "cheap" regardless of what movie theater tickets cost.