New Ruger Wrangler.... I'm confused

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TTv2 said:
Probably not, but I know for a fact the people at Ruger aren't either. I was told by a fmr. employee back in the post Sandy Hook panic that, at that time demand was so high, the supervisors told the workers that they needed to ship X amount of guns the next day and to let everything go, no matter if it met QC specs or not.

So, all the talk about how Ruger doesn't do 100% QC or has bad QC isn't the whole story, it's that they will knowingly ship guns with parts that are not good.


I work in manufacturing, they're a production facility. Each machine is dedicated to one or two parts.
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So you have based the quality of Ruger firearms on what one former employee said a few years ago. Did he have facts to back that up? It seems you have based your facts on hearsay.
But I guess that two videos and some reviews on the Wrangler don't hold as much truth as a former employee. You may have missed the photos of the two guns in one of the reviews. It was clear to see that Ruger has put more effort into the finish then Heritage does on their standard Rough Rider.
You complain about people bashing the Rough Rider, but at the same time you have bashed the hell out of Ruger. This may not have been your intent, but that's what you are doing.
There is a way to tell if you are coming across in a good way with your post. Look just below your text and see how many likes you get.
But then this topic was not about which gun was better. It's about the new Wrangler. you are the one that seems to have taken it personal and make this topic almost unpleasant.

I did state that the hammer block safety is what kept me from buying a Rough Rider. It's not the fact that it works, no one has stated otherwise. It's ugly and takes away from the classic lines of a SAA revolver. Someone felt that a few people didn't like the look of the safety and made a plug to clean up the look.

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You also keep harping about Adj. sights and nine round cylinders. I don't think that is the market Ruger is shooting for. I feel that they are shooting for the Cowboy market. That would cover Cowboy Action shooting and those that just want to go play cowboy in the woods or at the range.
 
TTv2 said:
Probably not, but I know for a fact the people at Ruger aren't either. I was told by a fmr. employee back in the post Sandy Hook panic that, at that time demand was so high, the supervisors told the workers that they needed to ship X amount of guns the next day and to let everything go, no matter if it met QC specs or not.

So, all the talk about how Ruger doesn't do 100% QC or has bad QC isn't the whole story, it's that they will knowingly ship guns with parts that are not good.

I work in manufacturing, they're a production facility. Each machine is dedicated to one or two parts.
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I was told by a former NASA employee that we didn't land on the moon.

Former employees say a lot of things.
 
Mosin Bubba said:
Ruger has been owning the game with their entry level guns recently. They said there was no more room for budget ARs - Ruger is now one of the go-to budget ARs. They said there was no more room for budget 1911s - Ruger is now one of the go-tos for budget 1911s. Their American rifles sell, their LCPs sell like crazy, their new PCC looks like a hit. They haven't found a budget 9mm pistol that's stuck, and it isn't for lack of trying, but everything else they have touched has turned to gold.

If they want to try their hand at making more cheap low-end guns, I say let them. It's been working lately.
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Ruger has done well, but it seems they're pretty much copying other designs to do so. AR, copy, 1911, copy, LCP, copy. Although the Wrangler is based on the Single-Six, the idea of a budget priced SA might be considered a copy also.

I'd like to see a little more innovation from Ruger, but I guess the market has spoken. Be curious to see the number of pre-orders in the US for the Wrangler.
 
Ruger has been fairly innovative, not on the same level as Keltec but who is.

Ruger Precision Rifle, centerfire and rimfire they were first if I'm not mistaken to enter this market
Ruger PCC rifle, now I know about the older marlin and ruger, but they listened to their customers and brought it out.
Takedown 10/22 and PCC, innovative
Super Redhawk 10mm Revolver
LCR 9mm Revolver

Ruger has in the last 15 years been all about listening to their customers and manufacturing what sells. Ruger's greatest innovation has always been bringing what the customer wants at a price the customer can afford.

If a major manufacturer isn't selling an AR, 1911 and pocket gun they are missing out on a large piece of business, so it is only logical they "copy" others who are "copying" others in these markets.
 
Old Stumpy said:
I looked at the Ruger Single 10 when it came out and said: "Ho Hum." If I wanted 10 rounds then I would buy a semi-auto.
Some might care about a 9 round capacity enough to buy the Rough Rider revolver, but many will not.
A spare cylinder in .22 magnum is nice, except that it tends to batter an aluminum frame. Not a great idea.
And while adjustable sights are nice, I don't think that for most buyers that it will be a deal breaker when they compare the two guns close up.
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I was always leary of the revolvers with 8-10 shot capacity. I have seen some pretty worn ratchets on the 9 shot H&R revolvers like the 929 and 999. Even the two Taurus guns, 8 shot 22 mag and 9 shot 22lr had small ratchets on the cylinder. I haven't seen the ratchets on the 9-10 shot Ruger 22s. I did see the ratchet on the 6 shot RR and its was substantial. I haven't seen the ratchet on the 9 shot RR.

Doesn't really matter. I am happy with 6 shots. If six weren't enough for a field gun I would have bought an auto with more rounds.
 
Ratshooter said:
If in doubt just buy the classic single six with two cylinders. Yes they are expensive if you buy new but used ones are found all over for $250-400 dollars in great shape for the blued models. And you only have to buy once. They will last your whole life. You will get tired of shooting it before you ever start to wear it out.

And if you really want to go all out find a single six in 32 mag. I have two and they are at the top of my list for favorite guns never to sell.
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Please tell me where I can get a blued Single Six in good shape for $250.
 
<*(((>< said:
Ruger has been fairly innovative, not on the same level as Keltec but who is.

Ruger Precision Rifle, centerfire and rimfire they were first if I'm not mistaken to enter this market
Ruger PCC rifle, now I know about the older marlin and ruger, but they listened to their customers and brought it out.
Takedown 10/22 and PCC, innovative
Super Redhawk 10mm Revolver
LCR 9mm Revolver

Ruger has in the last 15 years been all about listening to their customers and manufacturing what sells. Ruger's greatest innovation has always been bringing what the customer wants at a price the customer can afford.

If a major manufacturer isn't selling an AR, 1911 and pocket gun they are missing out on a large piece of business, so it is only logical they "copy" others who are "copying" others in these markets.
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The difference being you can actually find the Ruger innovation available for sale.
 
CraigC said:
Why do you insist on trying to make this personal? Is it because you have no other argument? Because your characterization of Ruger as going down the chute towards cheaper and cheaper guns is completely unfounded. It's a straw argument with no basis in reality. As I've already said, they have ADDED entry level guns to their existing lineup. They have not discontinued higher priced guns in favor of cheap guns.

If you have no Heritage and no plans to buy one or a Wrangler, why the hate? Because you don't come off as a simple contrarian. You come off as an unabashed Ruger hater.
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Sorry wrong again, seems it is becoming a Habit with you. Own about 6 or 7 Rugers. Nothing against Ruger. However sick of you constant whining. But I wish Ruger the best of luck.
 
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TTv2 said:
Everyone here is talking up the Wrangler like it's going to be a Single Six for half the price and I'm pulling off the rose colored glasses.
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Well my glasses are not rose colored but that is exactly my expectation. All Ruger is doing is taking a design that they have been making successfully for decades, substituting some materials with aluminum and zinc alloy and applying a paint finish that is proven in durability and acceptance by consumers.

I don’t see any reason why this idea will not be successful. S&W has been making aluminum frames for their revolvers for many decades. It has proven itself even in their hard kicking 44 Magnum so the 22 L.R. Wrangler should be a piece of cake for Ruger.

I am curious about how the Ceracoat is applied as robots are commonly used by auto manufacturers to paint new cars.

p.s. Rugers Ceracoated SR22 is a nice pistol also.
 
Texas10mm said:
Please tell me where I can get a blued Single Six in good shape for $250.
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Keep looking on GB. I bought one a while back for $215.00 plus shipping and transfer and sold it to my bud. I had another on my watch list that sold for just a little over that that I missed. There are 30+ pages of Ruger Single Six guns on there now. Look long enough and one will come up you can afford. I bought an unfired standard model 6" barrel in the original box with paperwork for $230 a couple of years ago. I was the only bidder on it.

Also hit the pawn shops and gunshows. Sometimes there is too much competition on GB. At gunshows most are looking for fast firing autos and don't give a used single six a second look. Plus you can dicker.
 
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Jeb Stuart said:
Two posters stand out like a sore thumb. They seem to be shooting for a record with the most post made. Obviously they are the ones that feel the greatest threat and insecurity . I bet you do not even have to count post to see who the top two are?
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Yup. I'm shooting for a Guinness World Record for the most posts about the Ruger Wrangler. :D
But, seriously, I am not aware of any limitation in a thread on how many comments are permitted, or why Jeb would seem so obsessed about it for that matter.
And old Jeb here has been commenting non-stop since he discovered the thread anyway.

I have no financial interest in Ruger sales whatsoever, so I have no worries one way or the other if the Wrangler succeeds or fails.
But I do recognize a superior product when I see one and I do recognize when someone seems to be trying to mislead me about an inferior product.
(whatever their reasons may be.)
So, as long as this thread continues, I will comment as often or as little as I wish. Sorry Jeb. :(
 
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After reading about the gun it made me think of the Smith and Wesson Zinc SW380 and 9mm they made on the 1990’s
From what I remember S&W realized that most firearms purchased would probably never have more than 100-200 rounds through them ever. A lot of people even buy one with a box of ammunition, bring them home and put the in a drawer
I may be wrong but the word was the gun was made to last 1000 rounds or so. True or not I don’t know

Maybe Ruger is thinking the same thing. $200 gun made of Zamak, steel and Ceracoted so the color matches. They will sell a metric ton of them. Some may come back needing repairs but most wont ever see a hundred rounds( single actions are slow to load -fire- unload and reload)
 
JONWILL said:
Some may come back needing repairs but most wont ever see a hundred rounds( single actions are slow to load -fire- unload and reload)
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I don't understand why people keep saying a single action is slow to load and unload? After I have emptied my gun I open the gate and tilt the barrel up. I let the ejector rod ride on the face of the cylinder that way it drops right in to the spent case and knocks it out. I can go around the cylinder in just a very few seconds. Then point the gun down and start dropping new rounds in. And if your gun is a centerfire with heavier than 22 cases most times you don't even need the ejector rod. Just tilt the gun up and the empties will fall out as they come to the ejection port right into your waiting hand.

I don't think I am as fast a CraigC claims to be but I can unload and reload in less than 15 seconds unless I have to dig the rounds out of the box or a pocket. If it takes you more than 30 seconds to clear your gun and get it running again you really need help from an experienced shooter.
 
Let me start off by saying that I don't have a dog in the RR vs Wrangler fight. I had an all-steel RR (I was in a "melting point" state) that I sold off. While it did shoot nice groups, it did it an unacceptably far distance from the POA. I sold it at a profit, unexpectedly.

With that said, in Taurus vs Smith "discussions" the inherent wonderfulness of the leaf spring is sung nonstop. S&W fans pretty much would not spit on anything with an inferior coil spring. The J Frames are only tolerated due to their size and single purpose.

All flames and fanatic devotion aside, which do people prefer? I have found leaf springs preferable for SA trigger pull, coil for DA (at least in DA revolvers). In an SA-only pistol, I would think the leaf spring would be better.
 
I got curious as to how long it really takes me to load and unload a single six so I got out my trusty Ruger and did a test. It takes me between 5 & 8 seconds to unload the gun. I once did 4 seconds. To open the loading gate and pick up loaded rounds from a towel to closing the loading gate takes me a flat 15 seconds each time exactly.

So to unload and reload about 20-23 seconds. And I am not rushing. But I'm not slacking either. No its not like inserting a loaded mag in an AR. But someone somewhere had to spend some time loading that mag. Same as with any auto loading pistol. To be an apples to apples comparison you have to include the time it takes to load magazines or speed loaders for revolvers.

But I can't figure out what the hurry is?:cool:
 
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