New Ruger Wrangler.... I'm confused

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I got curious as to how long it really takes me to load and unload a single six so I got out my trusty Ruger and did a test. It takes me between 5 & 8 seconds to unload the gun. I once did 4 seconds. To open the loading gate and pick up loaded rounds from a towel to closing the loading gate takes me a flat 15 seconds each time exactly.

So to unload and reload about 20-23 seconds. And I am not rushing. But I'm not slacking either. No its not like inserting a loaded mag in an AR. But someone somewhere had to spend some time loading that mag. Same as with any auto loading pistol. To be an apples to apples comparison you have to include the time it takes to load magazines or speed loaders for revolvers.

But I can't figure out what the hurry is?:cool:

Hey, Ratshooter -- some of my greatest fun comes from taking my TC Contender with the 14" .22 LR barrel to the range and seeing how tight a pattern I can print.

After 30 rounds, I am content -- though I may burn off rounds in something else, just for the heck of it... :D

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Hey Jframe I would be almost as happy if Ruger had of released one of the single shot 22s that had a block instead of a cylinder like they made a short run of many years ago. What a great trail and pack gun that would be.
 
Smoked one of the Platinums last week.

Sounds like a good smoke.

I live in Carbon County PA but work in Phillipsburg, NJ which is right over the PA border. Have several different routes to take for my commute, just to keep it interesting. One of my routes takes me right past the Bethlehem retail store for Cigars International, the one on Rt 191. If you go in there and ask for a good deal on a fine handroll they will give you the most amazing deals. I have purchased things like lighters or cutters, really nice ones, for like five bucks.

In that particular location they have two lounges but it's BYOB. Still its like a neighborhood bar, some guys are there every day. Really friendly crowd.

At their Hamburg PA location that store is quite big and has food and bar. Some weekends they have entertainment. That store is right next to Cabelas.
 
Rose colored glasses? So you assume that everyone who is excited about the Wrangler is starry-eyed and blind to the truth but you, you see??? Gimme a break. I think I've bought enough guns to trust my own judgement, thank you very much.
You'd be amazed what blind faith leads to.

You apparently haven't been paying much attention. Fixed sights do not save you money at Ruger. Vaqueros have always been higher than Blackhawks.
The Vaqueros cost more because they have more fitting and polishing done to them than the Blackhawks, it has nothing to do with the sights. Total red herring, IMO.

IMHO, unless there are some unforeseen gremlins, the Wrangler "appears" to be a much better value than any Heritage. If you place more value on additional cylinders or higher capacity than overall quality, then I'm sure you would rather have a Heritage. Rimfire convertibles are highly overrated anyway. Most people never shoot .22Mag and any time the subject comes up, there's no shortage of whining about the cost of ammo. The two cartridges always print differently and I have long dedicated guns to one or the other. Never both.
That's a good setup, but when the sights are adjustable you can move them back.

Hey, all I'm saying is some people want a Magnum for the power and the .22 LR for the cheap plinking. So far, only Heritage makes a .22 Mag SAA for under $200. I don't believe convertible single action revolvers are overrated, be them rimfire or centerfire, otherwise the .45 Colt/ACP Blackhawks wouldn't be nearly as popular as they are and they suffer from the same POA/POI shifts as .22 LR and Mag do as different ammo tends to shoot differently.
 
So you have based the quality of Ruger firearms on what one former employee said a few years ago. Did he have facts to back that up? It seems you have based your facts on hearsay.
Two fmr employees actually, but I spoke to one more than the other and remember him more.

Did he have facts to tell me that his supervisors and managers told the employees to let bad parts go? Uh, what facts would those be? An audio recording? Videos? I took his word at heart, but if you want to call everyone a liar then let's close down the whole forum, nay, the entire internet for no one can be trusted!

Which means when he said the Single Action revolvers are the one thing he saw at Ruger that were well made, he was clearly lying. Thus, I guess he was lying about the $10.50/hr wage being paid then too and how the management at Ruger treats everyone like a robot. No cross training people, no promoting from within, they expect their production employees to do the same job on the same machine every day until they leave or die.

I had been a Ruger fan for years before meeting this co-worker, had even thought about applying to work there, but after talking to him, it sounded like Ruger was a company that breaks mans soul. Drive by their factory and wonder why they always have a "now hiring" sign out and advertise a $500 sign on bonus? Because their turnover rate is massive.

Same thing with Sig Sauer.

I can't say that Heritage isn't the same way, hell, they're probably the same now that Taurus owns them, but when I heard that Ruger was knowingly shipping bad product, that didn't sit right with me. You'd think that a company like Heritage or Kel Tec would be doing that, not Ruger.

But I guess that two videos and some reviews on the Wrangler don't hold as much truth as a former employee. You may have missed the photos of the two guns in one of the reviews. It was clear to see that Ruger has put more effort into the finish then Heritage does on their standard Rough Rider.
As for the videos, Jeff Quinn is a nice guy, but he's never been a gun critic, he's a gun presenter. Never in any of his videos does he make a negative or critical comment about the gun being covered in the video, I mean, he said the Remington R51 was "great" in 2014 and those were so bad, Remington recalled them.

I'm not saying he's a liar, but the guns that writers get, the Test & Evaluate ones, they get made better, they're not true production guns taken out of a pile and sent. My time in manufacturing, when you make something for presentation, you put more QC into it than what you normally would to impress people. It's like wearing a suit for a job interview vs your bath robe, common sense stuff.

You complain about people bashing the Rough Rider, but at the same time you have bashed the hell out of Ruger. This may not have been your intent, but that's what you are doing
I've bashed their revolvers, their semi auto handguns and their rifles I quite like, but I don't like how they drop one handgun line and start a new one so frequently.
There is a way to tell if you are coming across in a good way with your post. Look just below your text and see how many likes you get.
I call them like I see them, but opposing voices are rarely popular when it's mob rule.
But then this topic was not about which gun was better. It's about the new Wrangler. you are the one that seems to have taken it personal and make this topic almost unpleasant.
Again, didn't say I didn't like the Wrangler, just not impressed with it, just as I'm not impressed with a lot of what Ruger is doing now. I just see a lot of people hating on a gun they've never owned and bashing it solely on its design, materials, and appearance.

I did state that the hammer block safety is what kept me from buying a Rough Rider. It's not the fact that it works, no one has stated otherwise. It's ugly and takes away from the classic lines of a SAA revolver. Someone felt that a few people didn't like the look of the safety and made a plug to clean up the look.
Case in point.

You also keep harping about Adj. sights and nine round cylinders. I don't think that is the market Ruger is shooting for. I feel that they are shooting for the Cowboy market. That would cover Cowboy Action shooting and those that just want to go play cowboy in the woods or at the range.
I agree, they're aiming for the SASS and CAS crowd first and the skinflinters second. For just general plinking shooters the adj. sights are better and for those looking for a simple, low recoil self defense gun or fairly powerful trail gun, the 9 shot Heritage is an excellent choice, better than the Wrangler.
 
Let me start off by saying that I don't have a dog in the RR vs Wrangler fight. I had an all-steel RR (I was in a "melting point" state) that I sold off. While it did shoot nice groups, it did it an unacceptably far distance from the POA.
This is why I bought the model with adj. sights. I understand Heritage doesn't make the steel frames with adj sights, so there's nothing you could do.
 
Hawkeye posted on the Ruger Forum:

Just received this email in response to my inquiry . . .

"Thank you for contacting Ruger Customer Service."

"The grip frame is Zinc. The cylinder frame is Alloy Aluminum."

"Ruger Customer Service"

Also, Ruger had initially registered the name "Single-Six Wrangler" as a trademark:--->>> https://trademarks.justia.com/876/60/single-six-87660703.html

I find this post the most interesting one of all. I wonder if those that were so against the grip made of Zinc will honor their commitment against owning any gun made with this material? Not that it would matter to myself. It obviously holds up well.That has been proven over and over. So No big deal. But what will the expert snobs have to say now? Obviously they will not be purchasing a Wrangler.
I do give Kudos to Ruger in keeping prices so low. I believe the New Wrangler will be a big hit. And since it is now the lowest price firearm they now manufacturer.

Take the Keltec clone the LCP, can be bought at a very low price from Bud's, but add the Cherakote finish and now the Wrangler will be even cheaper.

Especially because I was under the belief that a revolver is more expensive to produce. Not much to the LCP's. Aluminum chassis and a polymer grip and no sights.Hopefully, the Wrangler will hold the same high quality as the LCP.

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Will Ruger make a 22lr+22mag combo Wrangler?, that's the real question, and i will admit i should kick myself for every time i didn't buy a RR 22mag/22lr combo for sub $200 when i had the chance.
 
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Two fmr employees actually, but I spoke to one more than the other and remember him more.

Did he have facts to tell me that his supervisors and managers told the employees to let bad parts go? Uh, what facts would those be? An audio recording? Videos? I took his word at heart, but if you want to call everyone a liar then let's close down the whole forum, nay, the entire internet for no one can be trusted!

Which means when he said the Single Action revolvers are the one thing he saw at Ruger that were well made, he was clearly lying. Thus, I guess he was lying about the $10.50/hr wage being paid then too and how the management at Ruger treats everyone like a robot. No cross training people, no promoting from within, they expect their production employees to do the same job on the same machine every day until they leave or die.

I had been a Ruger fan for years before meeting this co-worker, had even thought about applying to work there, but after talking to him, it sounded like Ruger was a company that breaks mans soul. Drive by their factory and wonder why they always have a "now hiring" sign out and advertise a $500 sign on bonus? Because their turnover rate is massive.

Same thing with Sig Sauer.

I can't say that Heritage isn't the same way, hell, they're probably the same now that Taurus owns them, but when I heard that Ruger was knowingly shipping bad product, that didn't sit right with me. You'd think that a company like Heritage or Kel Tec would be doing that, not Ruger.


As for the videos, Jeff Quinn is a nice guy, but he's never been a gun critic, he's a gun presenter. Never in any of his videos does he make a negative or critical comment about the gun being covered in the video, I mean, he said the Remington R51 was "great" in 2014 and those were so bad, Remington recalled them.

I'm not saying he's a liar, but the guns that writers get, the Test & Evaluate ones, they get made better, they're not true production guns taken out of a pile and sent. My time in manufacturing, when you make something for presentation, you put more QC into it than what you normally would to impress people. It's like wearing a suit for a job interview vs your bath robe, common sense stuff.

I've bashed their revolvers, their semi auto handguns and their rifles I quite like, but I don't like how they drop one handgun line and start a new one so frequently.
I call them like I see them, but opposing voices are rarely popular when it's mob rule.
Again, didn't say I didn't like the Wrangler, just not impressed with it, just as I'm not impressed with a lot of what Ruger is doing now. I just see a lot of people hating on a gun they've never owned and bashing it solely on its design, materials, and appearance.

Case in point.

I agree, they're aiming for the SASS and CAS crowd first and the skinflinters second. For just general plinking shooters the adj. sights are better and for those looking for a simple, low recoil self defense gun or fairly powerful trail gun, the 9 shot Heritage is an excellent choice, better than the Wrangler.
Now we have more of the story. It was one former employee and now it’s two. You remember one more then the other because he was disgruntled. But we do tend to remember the people that complain the most.
I do have to say that I can’t remember a former, disgruntled employee ever having much good to say about their former employers.
I never called anyone a liar , but some people have a tendency to exaggerate.
You went from bashing Ruger guns to bashing the Company with what is called hearsay.
There are a lot of reasons why some people don’t buy some guns and some of those reasons are based on design, material and appearance.
It appears that the disgruntled former employee of Ruger left such an impression on you that you made a career decision based on what he said.
If I had listened to ever disgruntled Marine or police officer, I guess I would be doing something else today and have a different pass.
I don’t see this topic staying open much longer due to your efforts to make it into something it was not intended to be.
 
As for the videos, Jeff Quinn is a nice guy, but he's never been a gun critic, he's a gun presenter. Never in any of his videos does he make a negative or critical comment about the gun being covered in the video, I mean, he said the Remington R51 was "great" in 2014 and those were so bad, Remington recalled them.

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Not to gang up on Remington, especially because this is a thread about Ruger, but the only gun purchase I ever made that I really regret was a Remington R-1 1911 that I purchased because of glowing reviews in The American Rifleman.

What is odd to me here is at the time I purchased it, the R-1 was actually available. In this discussion the Wrangler is at least several weeks away form it's debut and posters are convinced that it's the buy of the century. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't and maybe since we are talking about less than $200 all it needs to do is work and look at least semi-respectable to be a commercial success? We shall know soon I suppose. But those that are dreaming of having a Wrangler in their hands will be in a spot if the thing bombs......after all this cackling.
 
15 pages comparing a gun that isn't even out, to a gun that's been out for years but nearly no one bought (mostly due to a safety on a single action) but is actually out there and in use (presumably). ....pretty impressive. There is a high probability that the Ruger will be a better gun, but I darn sure wont argue that it is until it's out at least.

None of my convertable 22/22mag guns shoot worth a crap with 22 LR. If I want to shoot 22 I dont even want a convertable. Not only that but a 22/22 mag with fixed sights isnt going to shoot one or the other to POA. Maybe others have different experience but with 8 or so (nearly all Ruger) I think I have a decent sample size. As far as some comments implying that accuracy or good sights on a beer can gun aren't needed, I'd argue the other way. A gun I bought for high round counts and cheap plinking needs to be pretty darn accurate. Especially a 22, I may be shooting at snakes or squirrel heads and even minute inaccuracy makes that impossible. And I've killed as many varmints and small game with a 22 pistol as anything else. A gun I cant hit with is useless to me. And will likely be sold, given away (especially if I only have 100 bucks for it to begin with) or left to set in a safe if it has value.

I have a bunch of single sixes. No reason to look at either really. My most shot 22 single action.....a well worn Rohm 66. Lol
 
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I am looking froward to seeing reviews on the Wrangler and probably getting at least one. I hunt with a single six with the 22 mag cylinder so I have no need for a 22/22 mag. Ruger will offer more options as time goes on so we will have to be patient.
 
I was told by a former NASA employee that we didn't land on the moon.

Former employees say a lot of things.

Hilarious. I heard the same thing from a NASA employee about a decade ago. Although he was some crackpot conspirator type contractor that worked in a support role with no security clearances.

All I ever have to point out to those people is that the USSR would have called the USA out if the USA never put man on the moon.
 
Now we have more of the story. It was one former employee and now it’s two. You remember one more then the other because he was disgruntled. But we do tend to remember the people that complain the most.
I do have to say that I can’t remember a former, disgruntled employee ever having much good to say about their former employers.
I never called anyone a liar , but some people have a tendency to exaggerate.
You went from bashing Ruger guns to bashing the Company with what is called hearsay.
There are a lot of reasons why some people don’t buy some guns and some of those reasons are based on design, material and appearance.
It appears that the disgruntled former employee of Ruger left such an impression on you that you made a career decision based on what he said.
If I had listened to ever disgruntled Marine or police officer, I guess I would be doing something else today and have a different pass.
I don’t see this topic staying open much longer due to your efforts to make it into something it was not intended to be.
I wouldn't call him a disgruntled empoyee, he was with them for a few years, he just left when he got a better offer/realized it was a dead end job. While I agree with the exaggerating, even if they knowingly shipped guns that were no good just once, that's one time too many.

You can go ahead and delude yourself into thinking Ruger is the land of milk and honey, whatever makes you feel better when you buy their guns, I've been in the manufacturing trade for a while to know what places are good and which aren't. After hearing how Ruger and Sig operate, I have to believe that all gun makers are like that, with Magnum Research, Freedom Arms, Colt and other high end, high price manufacturers excluded.
 
You'd be amazed what blind faith leads to.
What about blind hatred???


The Vaqueros cost more because they have more fitting and polishing done to them than the Blackhawks, it has nothing to do with the sights. Total red herring, IMO.
There is no more "fitting" and the polishing is done in a tumbler. Fact is, there is no added cost to installing adjustable sights.


That's a good setup, but when the sights are adjustable you can move them back.
And most people aren't going to do that. Most aren't going to shoot the .22Mag at all. They're going to plink with the cheapest bulk ammo available and when asked about the .22Mag, they'll complain about ammo cost.


Two fmr employees actually, but I spoke to one more than the other and remember him more.
Sounds like you've let a disgruntled former peon pee in your ear and you trust their biased opinion more than your own judgement. Why should I trust your heavily biased, second-hand opinion over mine?


Did he have facts to tell me that his supervisors and managers told the employees to let bad parts go? Uh, what facts would those be? An audio recording? Videos? I took his word at heart, but if you want to call everyone a liar then let's close down the whole forum, nay, the entire internet for no one can be trusted!
Ruger let QC slide to meet volume requirements. I'm sure they're not the first or the last. They're paying for it in return shipping/repair costs. If I didn't know how to buy a revolver, I might be concerned about it but 99.99% of the issues can be sorted before filing out the 4473.


Thus, I guess he was lying about the $10.50/hr wage being paid then too and how the management at Ruger treats everyone like a robot. No cross training people, no promoting from within, they expect their production employees to do the same job on the same machine every day until they leave or die.
And that's the source of your information, a ten dollar an hour grunt?


Drive by their factory and wonder why they always have a "now hiring" sign out and advertise a $500 sign on bonus? Because their turnover rate is massive.
Who cares??? Is this a job board or a gun board???


I'm not saying he's a liar, but the guns that writers get, the Test & Evaluate ones, they get made better, they're not true production guns taken out of a pile and sent. My time in manufacturing, when you make something for presentation, you put more QC into it than what you normally would to impress people. It's like wearing a suit for a job interview vs your bath robe, common sense stuff.
This is complete BS and proof that you don't know what you're talking about. I've had enough conversations with enough gunwriters to know that 99% of what people say about them is false. Welcome to a large, ignorant club.


I've bashed their revolvers, their semi auto handguns and their rifles I quite like, but I don't like how they drop one handgun line and start a new one so frequently.
So your entire diatribe is based on the fact that Ruger has produced and then discontinued the P-series, then the SR9/SR40/SR45 series (not a generic "SR" series) and now the American/Security Nine? That's two product lines that were obviously not viable on the market out of what is the single most diverse firearms catalog on the planet. Get out much?


I call them like I see them, but opposing voices are rarely popular when it's mob rule.
Which means you're just being contrary, and/or have an axe to grind.


I just see a lot of people hating on a gun they've never owned and bashing it solely on its design, materials, and appearance.
I "hate" on the Rough Rider because of what it is. I don't have to own one, just as I don't have to lick a turd to know I don't want to eat one. Because holding and operating it in my hands, my gut tells me not to bother. It's called deductive reasoning and it comes from knowledge & experience. You should try it.


I agree, they're aiming for the SASS and CAS crowd first and the skinflinters second. For just general plinking shooters the adj. sights are better and for those looking for a simple, low recoil self defense gun or fairly powerful trail gun, the 9 shot Heritage is an excellent choice, better than the Wrangler.
I'd say you're trying to twist reality to fit your chosen narrative.
 
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Not to gang up on Remington, especially because this is a thread about Ruger, but the only gun purchase I ever made that I really regret was a Remington R-1 1911 that I purchased because of glowing reviews in The American Rifleman.

What is odd to me here is at the time I purchased it, the R-1 was actually available. In this discussion the Wrangler is at least several weeks away form it's debut and posters are convinced that it's the buy of the century. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't and maybe since we are talking about less than $200 all it needs to do is work and look at least semi-respectable to be a commercial success? We shall know soon I suppose. But those that are dreaming of having a Wrangler in their hands will be in a spot if the thing bombs......after all this cackling.
Even with how hard I am on Ruger, I don't think they would ever ship a gun the way Remington has and still does. If they do and the Wranglers end up getting the R51 treatment... abandon all hope.
 
@CraigC Believe what you want to believe. At this point I'm done wasting my time with you and will not reply to any more of your posts in this topic.
 
I wouldn't call him a disgruntled empoyee, he was with them for a few years, he just left when he got a better offer/realized it was a dead end job. While I agree with the exaggerating, even if they knowingly shipped guns that were no good just once, that's one time too many.

You can go ahead and delude yourself into thinking Ruger is the land of milk and honey, whatever makes you feel better when you buy their guns, I've been in the manufacturing trade for a while to know what places are good and which aren't. After hearing how Ruger and Sig operate, I have to believe that all gun makers are like that, with Magnum Research, Freedom Arms, Colt and other high end, high price manufacturers excluded.
After reading all your post it is plane that you have a strong dislike for Ruger. But other then some former employee telling you how bad they are, you have not given a reason for such a strong dislike.
You have also shown that you are a fanboy of the Heritage Rough Rider.
I don't know how you have come up with me thinking that Ruger is the land of milk and honey. You seem to be making things up.
I own a few Rugers, but I am nowhere close to being a fanboy. I do own five of there handguns and seven of their rifles . But I also own many other guns to include Sig, Glock, EMF, Remington, Beretta, Star, Mauser, BSA, Webley, CZ, PSA, Anderson, Aero, HK, Marlin, Browning, Colt, Springfield, Winchester and more.
Now the only thing I have said about the Heritage is that I don't care for the look of their safety and the finish look of the guns are OK. I have friends that own Rough Riders and they seem to like them, I have no problem with that.
I like the look of the Wrangler and have already asked my FFL to get me one. I know that if I have any issues with it Ruger will stand behind it. For me it will be a range toy for plinking and fun. I may even give it to my grandson or buy him one for Christmas.
Most of the post in this topic have been good and some funny, but I would have to say that most of yours have been unpleasant and sometimes rude.
 
If they all look like the bottom three in that picture of the set.....I'd pass them up easily. Those 3 are just as ugly as the safety on a heritage. At least the heritage is only ugly from one side......those 3 are ugly from any angle. Just IMO. I hope it's a success for Ruger and introduces many new shooters to single actions, and shooting in general, but I'm calling it already, it aint for me.
 
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