New Ruger Wrangler.... I'm confused

[Elkins45]

Now time how long it takes you to load it. You can't break it down component by component and claim victory because the semi-auto empties itself. Clock the total time it takes to eject and reload an empty magazine. I guarantee if we stood side by side and set forth to consume a 500rd bulk pack, the semi-auto would come out on top but the difference between the two wouldn't be anywhere near as much as you think. Your thumbs would be worn out and sore from loading magazines but mine would not. If you shot a DA, I'd beat you every time.

My goal isn’t to see how fast I can burn ammo. My goal is to enjoy doing it. Having said that I would love to find a way to take you up on the DA challenge.

Again, I ask the question. If you don’t like single action revolvers, why are you posting in a topic about then. I have never known you to be a Troll, but that’s what it looks like you are doing.

I’m providing additional info to anyone who might be thinking about buying a SA revolver as a result of this thread. That’s not trolling, that’s being contrarian. But since it seems to be upsetting people I will remove myself from the thread and let the lovefest continue.

 

[ThomasT]

You can like it if you want. But watch that Gunblast video. There is an excellent close-up on the top of the frame.
It's definitely a proper square notch rear sight like the New Vaquero and the Bearcat.
It ain't your grandaddy's hog trough rear sight like on a Colt.

Once again take it up with Cajunbass. He said it first. And I knew what the rear sight looked like way before the video was posted. And I like the hog trough sights on the new Ruger. Good sturdy sights for a rough use gun. Funny thing is that once my adjustable sighted guns are sighted in I almost never adjust them again.

And if Elkins45 doesn't like loading and unloading a single action I hope he never buys a black powder rifle. It gives a whole meaning to slow. And fun. I don't think he would get it.

 

[Old Stumpy]

So Ruger is chasing after the Heritage Rough Rider. I find that so interesting. And the fact that it seems Ruger is going down a different path and that is toward the Budget market, especially in their Semi auto line. Welcome to the new Ruger.

Kudos to Ruger. They not only chased the Rough Rider but have already overtaken it like it was standing still, and instantaneously at that.
Shooters seem lined up with cash in hand already.
The thing is that the Wrangler seems so good that Ruger is in in direct competition with itself now.
The Wrangler was intended to fill that lost niche of shooters that would never have bought a Single Six or Bearcat because of the cost.
But now, because it's so appealing, those who can afford these steel-framed revolvers may still opt to buy the Wrangler instead.
I hope that the Single Six and Bearcat survive because they are fine handguns.
Remember the Old Army? R.I.P.

 

[Old Stumpy]

Funny thing is that once my adjustable sighted guns are sighted in I almost never adjust them again.

Funny thing about my fixed sight Bearcat and Vaqueros. Once I target them, I never seem to need to adjust them either.

 

[ThomasT]

I’m providing additional info to anyone who might be thinking about buying a SA revolver as a result of this thread. That’s not trolling, that’s being contrarian. But since it seems to be upsetting people I will remove myself from the thread and let the lovefest continue.

Oh C'mon Elkins. We're having fun with you. But some of us enjoy just handling our guns and working with them. Its not always about speed or who can blast through the most ammo. A lot of times I may only shoot 50 rounds of 22. Am I supposed to go through as quickly as possible? Is that how to have the very best time? Shoot it up and then go home?

I fly RC model planes. Sometimes I will spend half a day at the flying field but only go through two tanks of fuel. Maybe 30 minutes worth of air time. The rest of the time I spend talking to the other guys and watching them fly their planes. I consider that time well spent and an enjoyable day. Especially if I don't crash a plane.

 

[Elkins45]

And if Elkins45 doesn't like loading and unloading a single action I hope he never buys a black powder rifle. It gives a whole meaning to slow. And fun. I don't think he would get it.

I said I was done but this is a different point. Of course I own a black powder rifle. You can’t hunt during the black powder season otherwise.

But I wouldn’t use it to compete in a three gun match.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Kudos to Ruger. They not only chased the Rough Rider but have already overtaken it like it was standing still, and instantaneously at that.
Shooters seem lined up with cash in hand already.
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What a total joke. Typical internet crapola. Amazing how some internet guy has the sales numbers to Ruger or Heritage. I love statement like this on the internet. People lined up huh with cash in Hand? You really need to join sthe Ruger marketing team. I will keep my Heritage and my cash. I bet the same crowd in lined up to buy the Security9 as well. Maybe in the world of OZ but not here on earth.

 

[Old Stumpy]

What a total joke. Typical internet crapola. Amazing how some internet guy has the sales numbers to Ruger or Heritage. I love statement like this on the internet. People lined up huh with cash in Hand? You really need to join sthe Ruger marketing team. I will keep my Heritage and my cash. I bet the same crowd in lined up to buy the Security9 as well. Maybe in the world of OZ but not here on earth.

This is the kind of hilarious "Sour Grapes" that makes my day.

 

[ThomasT]

I said I was done but this is a different point. Of course I own a black powder rifle. You can’t hunt during the black powder season otherwise.

But I wouldn’t use it to compete in a three gun match.

I have 6 BP rifles and 3 BP handguns and really like shooting them. Even cleaning them isn't a big deal to me like it is my bud. He almost will not shoot his Pedersoli Tyron rifle because then he will have to clean it.

I shoot my BP rifles through out the year and not just for a special deer season. I am guessing the BP rifle you own is one of the Inline models?

 

[Catpop]

—-Its not always about speed or who can blast through the most ammo. A lot of times I may only shoot 50 rounds of 22. Am I supposed to go through as quickly as possible? Is that how to have the very best time? Shoot it up and then go home—-?

Me too! I’ll shoot about 50 22 LRs through my RUGER Single Six just to take the “edge off” and settle down to some serious centerfire action!
Load/reload time doesn’t seem to matter anymore! It’s all about unwinding!

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I love it when someone puts down zinc in trying a attempt to bash a 22.cal product and yet almost no really knows what the Wrangler new product is made of. So many false claims going down the road like a wild fire in a California Canyon. And all the same people that Put down the Heritage are the same ones making all these HOO RAH shouts of the Next coming. No one every bought the Heritage claimed it was the same quality of the Ruger security six or bearcat. But man Ruger fans can start slingling some mud now.
I have heard the Zinc no it all bashers for years. Especially when referring to the the Phoenix HPA which turned out to be quite a reliable gun. In fact I will say with all honesty, I would trade in my Ruger SR22 any day before I traded in my two Phoenix.

Ok, now we just have two competitors. How about we just keep it that way? How about all the owners that have owned the Wrangler even just one day wait before comparing. Forget about how the gun will hold up a year later or even shoot.Or when that CHEROKOTE WILL WEAR OFF. Then we can do a honest comparison.
And since it is a budget gun, then consider price. I can get a Heritage right now at Bud's for $165 to include a Life time warranty and a Magnum Cylinder.

By the way, my two zinc Phoenix have so many thousands of rounds down range I cannot even count any more. And the accuracy at shot range will eat the pants off the SR22. and by way, My great Ruger SR22 is a still going through the cheap design that has sent it back on two different times. I have finally given up.
And do not get me started on Ruger cheap aluminum guns. I had more than my share of repairs and replacements.

I am sure the Wranger is a fine plinking gun and low cost just like the Heritage. But keep it real.The Heritage is ALUMINUM ALLOY NOT ZEMACK. and they have a all steel model as well.
You may end up eating your hat.

 

[5-SHOTS]

Sorry guys, I'm confused just like the OP: 30 ounces for an aluminium alloy revolver priced at 250 dollars (so street price will probably be in the 200 dollars range)? There is something wrong with the calculation. Zinc alloy somewhere?

 

[Old Stumpy]

Sorry guys, I'm confused just like the OP: 30 ounces for an aluminium alloy revolver priced at 250 dollars (so street price will probably be in the 200 dollars range)? There is something wrong with the calculation. Zinc alloy somewhere?

Well Jeb Stuart is correct about at least one thing in his tirade. We do know that the cylinder frame is aluminum because Ruger has stated this.
But in usual Ruger coyness, they don't specify what the grip frame is made of.
It may well be a ZA alloy of some kind, but not cheap ZAMAC pot metal.
ZA-12 has the tensile strength of cast iron, for example, but it's deceptively heavy, almost like steel.
Anyone who owns a Lee Valley Tools standard block plane, apron plane, or shoulder plane has a plane with a ZA-12 lever cap.
And these are high quality tools.
Also, the barrel is specified as steel, but the diameter seems larger than the Single Six, which also contributes to the weight.
We will soon know, but I doubt that it will make any difference whatsoever.
They are going to sell like hotcakes.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

And in Old Stumpys in his tirade might want to look at this gun as well. They were able to develop the same weight as the standard model as far as weight. Persoanlly would not want one that heavy, but then again, I do have a Ruger BlackHawk, and the same feel and balance might be a plus for some. But with the number of rounds I normally fire though the Heritage for plinking, it would get heavy fast. Actually plinking with Heritage and purchasing the gun below for summer might be a whole lot of fun.

This gun also weights 33 oz.


https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/colt-single-action-army-bb-gun-part-1/

 

[Old Stumpy]

I love it when someone puts down zinc in trying a attempt to bash a 22.cal product and yet almost no really knows what the Wrangler new product is made of. So many false claims going down the road like a wild fire in a California Canyon.

Since you don't know what the Wrangler grip frame is made of either, and also don't know any more than anybody else about the Wrangler, how can you possibly know if any of the speculation is false?
Frankly "methinks thou doth protest too much" as the saying goes.
Simply comparing the Wrangler Single Six coil spring design, superior safety features, more attractive appearance, and the now VERIFIED accuracy with the clunky old Rough Rider is enough to sell any reasonable and unbiased shooter on it's superiority at this price point.
But keep on banging your drum for a lost cause if it soothes your bruised ego.

 

[Old Stumpy]

And in Old Stumpys in his tirade might want to look at this gun as well. They were able to develop the same weight as the standard model as far as weight. Persoanlly would not want one that heavy, but then again, I do have a Ruger BlackHawk, and the same feel and balance might be a plus for some. But with the number of rounds I normally fire though the Heritage for plinking, it would get heavy fast. Actually plinking with Heritage and purchasing the gun below for summer might be a whole lot of fun.

The Wrangler is 2 ounces lighter than the equivalent barrel length Single Six with an aluminum grip frame. How is that heavy?
I think that you are exaggerating this.

Also, I fail to see what those BB and CO2 revolvers have to do with this discussion. ??

 

[ThomasT]

I looked up the RR with a 4" barrel and it shows to weigh a little more than the Wrangler at 33oz as oppossed to the 30oz of the Ruger gun. Is that enough to matter? Not to me. https://www.heritagemfg.com/product_detail.cfm?prod_id=3

If someone wants the Rough Rider and likes the features and warranty then I am all for them getting one. Its really no matter to me, I have two Single Six Rugers in 22/22 mag now. One new made about 5 years ago and my grand dads from 1961. Both great guns.

Did anyone catch the price inflation thing in Jeff Quinn article? The price of the original Ruger single action works out to around what a new single six cost now when allowed for inflation. So I guess if you are complaining of the price of a single six now you would have complained about the price way back in the 1950s when the first ones came out. I don't know what my granpa spent for his old gun when he bought it new but I sure am glad he bought a quality gun. I can't see this gun ever wearing out. Not in the remainder of my life. Or my son's.

 

[<*(((><]

Are we really arguing over what the metal is on a pistol no one has seen in person and has differing answers in the reviews?

Someone for the sake of this thread email Ruger with pointed questions and ask.

Me, I could care less whether the grip frame is Zamak or Aluminum, I’m pretty sure based on several reviews the rest of the gun is steel and aluminum. And for the rest of the guns seemingly good materials if the grip frame is Zamak or the like for a $200 or less plinker, trap line shooter, first son/daughter pistol I’m satisfied.

 

[ThomasT]

Jeb Stuart I don't have a problem with Zemak myself. I have an old Iver Johnson TP-22 that has the Zinc frame. Never had any problems with it either. And it shoots very well for such a small gun. Its a heavy little bugger at 15 oz. But way back when I bought it I never knew it was heavy. No internet back then to compare weights and hear all the negative feedback on what materials were used. I was just happy to find such a nice shooting gun.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Good Point RatShooter. These are plinking guns. They work, people have fun with them. In my case with the Phoenix I use them for training with the small barrel pocket gun. Stumpy will post against this, I am sure. Already he has over 20 post on this one thread. I hope the New Ruger works out for him. Time will tell.

 

[ThomasT]

I think based on the discussion here and on a couple of other forums (I'm not on the Ruger forum) that this ends up being a hot seller to the point they are hard to get for a while. IIRC it was the same way when the original single six was released. But maybe thats a good thing. If Ruger sees these are going to sell they may offer a 22 mag cylinder for them. I really like the 22 mag round and have a bunch of it on hand. And they may offer it in other barrel lengths too. They will build anything that will sell and I bet this gun surprises them with units sold.

 

[bannockburn]

Ratshooter

I had one of those Iver Johnson TP-22s too! It was a great little gun, especially for being a .22 in such a small package. It was well built, decently finished, very reliable, and quite durable, even after all the rounds I put through it. For something made partially out of Zamak it did just fine!

 

[chicharrones]

My comment has meaning, you just missed it. The point is that single action 22’s are excessively slow to load and unload. Therefore they are more boring to shoot than autoloaders or revolvers with swing-out cylinders. The only 22 handgun more tedious to shoot than a SA revolver is a single shot or a derringer.

Of course you are welcome to disagree if individually punching out those skinny little empties is your idea of fun.

Clearly, this new Ruger isn't made for a shooter with your preferences.

As an owner of autoloaders, swing out cylinder and break open revolvers, I have plenty of room in my heart for single action loading gate revolvers. I'm thinking this new Wrangler would make a dandy fourth single action revolver in my small collection.

 

[chicharrones]

Depends on how you look at it. I can reload one in about 10secs and burn up a 500rd bulk pack in just a couple hours.

Magazines don't load themselves.

Indeed. Magazines don't load themselves.

 

[bannockburn]

Luke

Someone for the sake of this thread email Ruger with pointed questions and ask.

I did just that. Hope to hear back from them in a couple of days.