kmtirish
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Just got my new rifle from cdnn for 799 (they were sold out of the 699 ones) and was wondering what you would do to it to make it tacticool, i was thinking of replacing the grip and the forend to start?
New smith and wesson m&p 15
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briang2ad
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Then you got the straight up M4 with detachable handle?
I would also second the motion. Shoot it.
THEN, look around for stuff, and take time in deciding what you REALLY need to shoot it well. I DO like MAGPUL furniture.
I have a little trouble 'needing' a $400 DOT.
BUt, like I told my son, when we got the round - now standard hanguards - vs. the old triangular 'nam' style, we thought we were in heaven!
I would also second the motion. Shoot it.
THEN, look around for stuff, and take time in deciding what you REALLY need to shoot it well. I DO like MAGPUL furniture.
I have a little trouble 'needing' a $400 DOT.
BUt, like I told my son, when we got the round - now standard hanguards - vs. the old triangular 'nam' style, we thought we were in heaven!
Al Thompson
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Red dot sight and a white light is all you need. If you want to have a range toy, well, Brownells is your friend...
Prion
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Quad-rail fore-end, Eotech red dot, Magpul AFG, Magpul or Tango Down grip, JP Enterprises trigger, Vltor stock, and get rid of that blue lettering you used in your post!
CraigC
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I got the $599 optics ready carbine on the way, should be at the shop today. Also on the way is a bunch of olive drab Magpul goodies including an ACS buttstock, MIAD grip, foregrip and rail covers as well as YHM rifle-length free float tube, low profile gas block and flip sights. Also ordered a V-Tac sling from Viking Tactics, vise block from Brownells and a brass catcher. Guess I spent enough time thinking about it beforehand that I knew exactly what I wanted to do with it. 
May I be so bold as to suggest the following three-part test be passed prior to adding tacticool stuff to any weapon:
1. Owner should be able to shoot a full magazine inside the 9 Ring on a bull's eye target at appropriate ranges, e.g. 25 yards for pistol, 100 yards for open sight rifles, etc.
2. For semi-auto weapons, owner should be able to drop an empty magazine, replace it with a full magazine, chamber a round and fire at least one round - hitting inside the 7 Ring on an appropriate target - in less than two seconds.
3. Owner has fired at least 500 rounds through their weapon.
I love to buy gear as much as the next guy, but I see quite a few people at the range who've nearly doubled the weight of their weapon with tacticool gear but can barely hit a target.
Thoughts?
1. Owner should be able to shoot a full magazine inside the 9 Ring on a bull's eye target at appropriate ranges, e.g. 25 yards for pistol, 100 yards for open sight rifles, etc.
2. For semi-auto weapons, owner should be able to drop an empty magazine, replace it with a full magazine, chamber a round and fire at least one round - hitting inside the 7 Ring on an appropriate target - in less than two seconds.
3. Owner has fired at least 500 rounds through their weapon.
I love to buy gear as much as the next guy, but I see quite a few people at the range who've nearly doubled the weight of their weapon with tacticool gear but can barely hit a target.
Thoughts?
Zerodefect
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Keep the stock foregrip.
-Stag ambi safety
-Magpul BAD Lever
-Magpul Moe or Miad grip
-Aimpoint ML3 in a Larue lt129.
-TAG body spray
-Gear sector single point sling or Magpul Ms2.
- Magpul Pmags
-Troy/BCM/Larue flip up rear sight
-Stag ambi safety
-Magpul BAD Lever
-Magpul Moe or Miad grip
-Aimpoint ML3 in a Larue lt129.
-TAG body spray
-Gear sector single point sling or Magpul Ms2.
- Magpul Pmags
-Troy/BCM/Larue flip up rear sight
kmtirish
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tanks
wow thanks for all the great advice, this is the first AR ive owned (except for the m-16 my uncle lent me for four years...lol) as for as hitting the 9 ring and reloading and hitting the 7 ring i currently do drills with my mini-14 thats not a problem. What is the advantage of the free-floating forend and i like all the magpul stuff but where can i get it cheap? what about optics ive always been a fan of iron sights (they dont break or require batteries) anybody got a great idea there?
wow thanks for all the great advice, this is the first AR ive owned (except for the m-16 my uncle lent me for four years...lol) as for as hitting the 9 ring and reloading and hitting the 7 ring i currently do drills with my mini-14 thats not a problem. What is the advantage of the free-floating forend and i like all the magpul stuff but where can i get it cheap? what about optics ive always been a fan of iron sights (they dont break or require batteries) anybody got a great idea there?
kmtirish
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ps @zero i smell good already....lol
berettaman200
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Heres my baby. S&W M&P 15 OR. It came with the eotech sight as a special packaged deal. Thats why i bought this instead of the bushy with iron sights. Has a quad rail, foregrip, pistol grip, YHM Phantom muzzle break threaded on, and YHM fold down front sight.gas block. Never jammed once. Brilliant gun. I only use federal 5.56.
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Captcurt
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I bought a M&P 15/22 last month. Installed a propoint II and it is a hoot. I forgot how much fun a 22lr could be.
Prion
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An Eotech with a Troy flip-up rear to co-witness if your red-dot fails. Otherwise stick with irons, nothing wrong with them and a darn good idea to be proficient with them. Red-dot are just quicker, easier, and super cool and fun to use.
Prion
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Improves accuracy and the rails allow for the easy attachment of accessories although you can get a tube-type fore-end without the rails.
briang2ad
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I've heard that the free floating forend gives you accuracy you MAY see out after 500 yards. This might be important to matches.
Unless you KNOW ARs and their accouterments, I'd take some time to feel them out, try some. I know that when we first got the now standard round fore ends, we thought they were soooo much better. Now, everyone changes them out. I would try Magpul. The forearm seems so solid and comfortable no matter HOW you grip it. You ca still mount anything, and it looks better than stuff all over the place.
I would agree on the weight and stuff. If you ruin the handling of the rifle, you may be paying for an overall minus.
Unless you KNOW ARs and their accouterments, I'd take some time to feel them out, try some. I know that when we first got the now standard round fore ends, we thought they were soooo much better. Now, everyone changes them out. I would try Magpul. The forearm seems so solid and comfortable no matter HOW you grip it. You ca still mount anything, and it looks better than stuff all over the place.
I would agree on the weight and stuff. If you ruin the handling of the rifle, you may be paying for an overall minus.
sleepyone
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Hold off on buying anything. go to some gun shows. you will find vendors with tricked out ARs on display to show off their products. pick some up and hold them, look through the optics etc. they get heavy real fast and you don't "need" most of the add-ons anyway. I think I can speak for many of us who bought their first AR and spent as much, or more, on attachments only to find it made shooting a lot more work and took away from the greatness of the basic AR platform.
There are so many goodies for an AR that you almost feel like your rifle isn't complete unless you add something. The only words of advise that I can give you is not to add anything unless you need it.
As has been mentioned, an AR can get really heavy very quickly. I almost laugh out loud when I see some guys show up at the range with their 10+ pound carbines that they have to shoot from a rest because they get uncomfortable after a couple of mags.
I know that quad rails are all the rage, but again, avoid them unless you really need them. Most add weight and are downright uncomfortable to hang on to. A red dot would be nice too. Although it's always good to know how to use irons, red dots are faster and easier to shoot. I run an ACOG TA44S on my carbine. No batteries to worry about and a touch of magnification.
For now, I'd just shoot it, A LOT. Get yourself some cheap ammo and roll with it. Aimsurplus has Silver Bear for a tad over $200 a thousand right now. Get a feel for the rifle and then figure out what you need.
As has been mentioned, an AR can get really heavy very quickly. I almost laugh out loud when I see some guys show up at the range with their 10+ pound carbines that they have to shoot from a rest because they get uncomfortable after a couple of mags.
I know that quad rails are all the rage, but again, avoid them unless you really need them. Most add weight and are downright uncomfortable to hang on to. A red dot would be nice too. Although it's always good to know how to use irons, red dots are faster and easier to shoot. I run an ACOG TA44S on my carbine. No batteries to worry about and a touch of magnification.
For now, I'd just shoot it, A LOT. Get yourself some cheap ammo and roll with it. Aimsurplus has Silver Bear for a tad over $200 a thousand right now. Get a feel for the rifle and then figure out what you need.
i'd put an aimpoint on it and a good sling and spend the rest of your money on ammo and maybe a class. don't dud it up until you've got a few thousand rounds through it (away from a bench)
congrats on the purchase, btw. enjoy it!
congrats on the purchase, btw. enjoy it!
I've done the following to mine (M&P-15 MOE, an anniversary gift from my lovely wife):
Vortex G6-A2 flash hider
Yankee-Hill gas block flip-up front sight (with sling swivel)
Magpul CTR stock (because it has a friction lock)
Enhanced trigger guard
Troy rear folding battle sight
Magpul VFG
Magpul ASAP
The weight I've added to the rifle is negligible, and I think the sights are better than what came on it (plus I'm ready for a scope when I find one I like and that won't cost more than the rifle itself). BTW, the ASAP prevents me from collapsing the stock all the way, so I'm thinking of getting something else (SLAP).
Vortex G6-A2 flash hider
Yankee-Hill gas block flip-up front sight (with sling swivel)
Magpul CTR stock (because it has a friction lock)
Enhanced trigger guard
Troy rear folding battle sight
Magpul VFG
Magpul ASAP
The weight I've added to the rifle is negligible, and I think the sights are better than what came on it (plus I'm ready for a scope when I find one I like and that won't cost more than the rifle itself). BTW, the ASAP prevents me from collapsing the stock all the way, so I'm thinking of getting something else (SLAP).
kmtirish
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thanks
thanks to all for the great advice ive decided to add a surefire flash hider and a ergo grip and a sling thats it the rest will be in ammo (tanks tony) aimsurplus was better than cheaperthandirt.com
thanks to all for the great advice ive decided to add a surefire flash hider and a ergo grip and a sling thats it the rest will be in ammo (tanks tony) aimsurplus was better than cheaperthandirt.com
I saw the neatest pistol grip, and decided to order it.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=56247/pid=32495/sku/Universal_Pistol_Grip__Tan
I wanted something that gave a more grippy feel, and besides, the butt cover on my MOE pistol grip rattles - and it annoys me.
I eventually want my MOE to look something like this:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=56247/pid=32495/sku/Universal_Pistol_Grip__Tan
I wanted something that gave a more grippy feel, and besides, the butt cover on my MOE pistol grip rattles - and it annoys me.
I eventually want my MOE to look something like this:
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