You are right, but with added cost.And every single one of your points can be had with the 10/22 and likely one already in your safe.
You are right, but with added cost.
I bought my first 10/22 back in 1984. It sits in a Ramline stock and has a Feather Enterprise flash hider on it. I also have one built in 1971 that is bone stock. The other four have many different things on them. I love the fact that the 10/22 has a large aftermarket support, because it it didn't, I would not have as many as I do. Hell, I have 10/22s that have higher cost in aftermarket parts then what the rifle cost.
I have and like my Remington 597. I had two but gave one to my nephew a few years ago.
But when it comes down to a bone stock, out of the box rifle, this little Wildcat offers a lot more then most of the other rifles on the market.
I'm not one that is afraid to be the first to put his foot in the water. If it's a product that I like, I'm willing to give it a try. Just like the Ruger Security 9. I got one when they first came out. I liked it and it shot great. My sister bought a single stack Taurus 9mm after someone broke into he house. She really didn't have the extra money for a better gun. I gave her the Security 9 and she loves it.
I know that there will be a bunch of YouTube videos once this little rifle is out on the market, and that there are those that are going to wait and see before buying one. It makes you wonder how people ever made up their minds to buy something before YouTube.
That's funny.As to making up your mind....we read...we all know a magazine gives you an unbiased review right?
Being the first on the block bothers some people.....just ask Remington R51 owners.
You make a good point.....some people look at what comes out of the box as well thats it.....generally I do this....I do not change up stuff much past hanging glass on it.
We will just have to wait and see.
As to making up your mind....we read...we all know a magazine gives you an unbiased review right?
Lol, one thing for sure is you seem to really want this to fail. Why is that? Do you think it is a direct competition to the 10/22 and will dip into Ruger Sales? You actually seem offended by this rifle. I appreciate your opinion, but do wish you would refrain from the childish gif. It does not help your point of view.
I’ve not seen one at my LGS’ yet, but I’ll handle one when they come in. If it sings to me I’ll buy one for my daughter, she’s reaching that point soon.
I’ve read several magazine reviews over the past few months, all seems to be liking the rifle...except for the accuracy. Not one of the articles I saw reported very good groups with any of the ammo they shot.
We all know .22’s can be picky, and many will take a lot of experimenting to find the load(s) the gun likes, but the consistently blah numbers across the board with these reviews make me wonder a bit.
I hope it’s a success, but only time will tell...
Stay safe.
Wrong....I don't want it to fail.....I do however expect it to fail....there is a difference. And if you read my posts I am about the most anti 1022 guy on this forum.....I really hate that platform....I am using the word HATE here. However I do see its success in the market....and it is such a strong presence I see it as very hard for something that is not really out in left field to stand a chance in this very crowded market.
There is not one thing negative thing I can think of that I have said on this product.....I have said it is not bringing anything new to the table.
In this price range you have to two "main" I guess I will say in the Ruger and Marlin....they are very different systems and appeal to very different customer groups in the "cheap" automatic field.....in the even more "cheap" you have things like Mossberg (I really hate the word cheap....I like inexpensive better, cheap to me means just poorly built, designed, will fall apart sitting there garbage....none of these items are that)
Now we are seeing winchester (and I really get why they are doing this) come in with this.....it is inexpensive to make....molded plastic is much cheaper over wood, a magazine system that I doubt Ruger is getting a check on anymore....If they are then savage should get the check from ruger as that is who ruger stole the idea from. So like gunny said....why not use the mag system....no issues there, the market already exists for all sizes of mags.
No my issue with this is you need your product to jump out....to be special....to really get people interested.....and that is a REALLY hard thing to do with a gun.....you would have a better chance trying to sell cigarette advertising...the people you can stick a glossy in front of already have their finger on the pulse of this area of products.....so existing gun people......and I will go back to most gun people have at least one 1022.....likely more.
The only thing this brings is if you get that gun person that does not want to change it around to buy it.....and I don't think you can have a well selling product with that small of a customer base.
what sorta accuracy are they reporting?I’ve not seen one at my LGS’ yet, but I’ll handle one when they come in. If it sings to me I’ll buy one for my daughter, she’s reaching that point soon.
I’ve read several magazine reviews over the past few months, all seems to be liking the rifle...except for the accuracy. Not one of the articles I saw reported very good groups with any of the ammo they shot.
We all know .22’s can be picky, and many will take a lot of experimenting to find the load(s) the gun likes, but the consistently blah numbers across the board with these reviews make me wonder a bit.
I hope it’s a success, but only time will tell...
Stay safe.
From the website, it has proprietary magazines, but Ruger mags are compatible. The Winchester magazines have some kind of thingy to compress the spring to make loading much easier.
I don't get the 10/22 hate. That's like hating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches; it says more about you than about the rifle. I don't love the 10/22, but it's a decent rifle.
I had to go back and find the articles:what sorta accuracy are they reporting?
Thanks!I had to go back and find the articles:
Rifle Shooter Sep/Oct 2019 P.22, Joseph von Benedikt: shot 4 regular brands and 2 match brands, avg of 3-5shot groups at 50 yds.
Match: .54”, Reg 1.34” (1.58” to 1.04”, Leupold 3.5x14x50) This is the best set of groups, and is very good. Of course the scope is 3x the cost of the gun!)
G&A Sept 2019 P.38, Robert Hunicutt: shot 4 regular brands and CCI clean subsonic.
Avg of 5-5 shot groups at 50 yds. Reg 2.63”, CCI subsonic: 9.55” (3.53” to 2.21”, Truglo red dot)
Shooting Times. Sep 2019 P.30. Steve Gash shot 11 regular brands and 2 match. 3-5 shot groups at 50 yds.
11 brands avg 1.80” and 2 match 1.73”. (2.64”to .90”, Simmons 3x9x40)
A comparison Ruger 10-22 in Gun Digest Feb 2019, Patrick Meitin: has an average of 1.09” at 50 yds with 6 standard brands, 5-5 shot groups (1.75” to .44”, Tract Optics 4x12x44) .
This was an accurizing article and was the 10/22’s baseline accuracy. This gun had various parts added in stages that brought the 5-5 shot groups down to .66”.
The Wildcat isn’t awful (except with the CCI Subsonics!!) and for the price point it’s not expected to hold .5” groups. The G&A article was the one with the really Ho-hum accuracy I was primarily recalling, the others were not stellar, but they were a bit better.
Stay safe.
I bought my wife one of those crickets as she was very small in statue so but keystone arms sells a walnut adult stock and so after her passing I ordered it and put the stock on it and now I can shoot it! https://www.keystonesportingarmsllc.com/product/crickett-adult-stock/ here gunny here's a link to that stock it came with the sling studs already installed, free shipping!I bought my grandson a Crickett youth rifle a few years ago and he's starting to out grow it now. It's time to move up. May even get a red dot sight for it.
I’ve seen those stocks before.I bought my wife one of those crickets as she was very small in statue so but keystone arms sells a walnut adult stock and so after her passing I ordered it and put the stock on it and now I can shoot it! https://www.keystonesportingarmsllc.com/product/crickett-adult-stock/ here gunny here's a link to that stock it came with the sling studs already installed, free shipping!
cool gun I would like to know how it shoots once you get it??I’ve seen those stocks before.
Right now I’m waiting on the delivery of this rifle from Keystone.
https://www.keystonesportingarmsllc.com/product/mini-mosin-special-edition/
I wouldn’t compare it to the Henry in regards to the sights or the magazines. The sights on the Henry aren’t all that great. The front sight can be pushed around in the dovetail with finger pressure. The rear sight is a peephole that is rudimentary and non-adjustable.
You made me wonder if my memory was going away. So I went and checked.
They are not only adjustable for elevation bu also have two different apertures.
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I think it’s the lightest rifle I have, it weighs less that the trigger pull.
Much more accurate than the M6 scout rifle, then again I guess you get a shotgun with that one.