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Deadeyejedi

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I guess I’m one if the lucky ones that gets delayed every time I purchase a rifle or handgun .Ive had my pistol permit in ny since 2002 and haven’t had any trouble with the law .Is there some list that I’m on ? Or is there a way to stop theses delays ? Here in ny we go through a pretty thorough investigation before they hand you a cc permit . this usually isn’t an issue just an annoyance .
 
From what I understand, it could be as simple as you having the same name as a prohibited person. Do you list your S.S. number on the 4473? Beyond that (which is its own discussion) I don't know of anything else you could do differently, but others might. Maybe avoid peak hours? Might not help much if staffing levels at the "other end" of the BRC are lower at odd hours.
 
Deadeyejedi said:
... Is there some list that I’m on ?
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First it's not NCIC, it's NICS.
No, there is no "list". FBI NICS searches several databases with the descriptive information you put on the Form 4473. It doesn't just search your name as submitted, but may return results of others with a similar name or descriptive information. When multiple records return and one is that of a prohibited person, an FBI Legal Document Examiner will research to see if the buyer/transferee and the prohibited person are one and the same. Sometimes that research takes days or weeks. The Brady Law does not prohibit the transfer of the firearm after three business days (beginning the next business day) have elapsed. Your state may/may not further restrict that transfer.

Or is there a way to stop theses delays ?
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Maybe.
Half the states have a firearm permit that exempts the buyer from a NICS check, but not in NY.
Buyers who often get denied or delayed may apply for a VAF as linked above. NICS transactions that are a "proceed" must be purged at the end of the NICS business day. So if you eventually get a proceed....that status gets purged at midnight after your dealer is told "proceed". The VAF is your permission to let NICS keep your file open permanently.



Here in ny we go through a pretty thorough investigation before they hand you a cc permit . this usually isn’t an issue just an annoyance .
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Either the NY permit doesn't mee the requirement to serve as an exemption or your state doesn't want it to be used as an exemption.
 
Thanks for the info on this . I will look into the vaf. I guess I got my letters crossed “ncic”. I would guess my state doesn’t want a pistol permit to serve as an exemption ., we have some of the worst gun laws in the country .
 
As far back as the 80s. Never arrested. Just unlucky but no big deal in Illinois as everything is three days.
 
dogtown tom said:
First it's not NCIC, it's NICS.
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Once upon a time, in 1977 when I was an MP, one of my jobs was running the computer to do background checks on anyone stopped by a patrol unit or gate. Our computer was, primitively, linked to CCIC (Colorado Crime Information Center) computer which also queried NCIC (National yada yada). So, once upon a time it was NCIC.

Buyers who often get denied or delayed may apply for a VAF as linked above. NICS transactions that are a "proceed" must be purged at the end of the NICS business day. So if you eventually get a proceed....that status gets purged at midnight after your dealer is told "proceed". The VAF is your permission to let NICS keep your file open permanently.
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In Florida we don't use NICS, we have the FDLE Firearms Eligibility System. I recommend anyone having an issue with being approved, even just one single time, to get what FDLE calls a UPIN, a Unique Personal Identification Number, although I don't know what the deal is with the SSN not doing that, but some folks don't want to share their SSN.

Also, b/r checks run on Sat afternoons always take longer because of all the gun shows going on around the state.
 
FlSwampRat said:
Once upon a time, in 1977 when I was an MP, one of my jobs was running the computer to do background checks on anyone stopped by a patrol unit or gate. Our computer was, primitively, linked to CCIC (Colorado Crime Information Center) computer which also queried NCIC (National yada yada). So, once upon a time it was NCIC.
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You are confusing two different FBI databases.
NCIC is the National Crime Information Center, a database of wanted fugitives, stolen property, missing persons, etc.
NICS is the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, used for background checks on purchasers of firearms. NCIC is only one of the three national databases searched by NICS.

Licensed dealer do not have access to NCIC, only LE.




In Florida we don't use NICS, we have the FDLE Firearms Eligibility System.
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Well, yeah you do. Because Florida is a state POC (point of contact) it means licensed dealers do not contact FBI NICS directly, but contact a state agency (your FDLE) who then accesses FBI NICS. (some states are partial POC's, contacting FBI NICS directly for some checks, a state agency for others)


I recommend anyone having an issue with being approved, even just one single time, to get what FDLE calls a UPIN, a Unique Personal Identification Number, although I don't know what the deal is with the SSN not doing that, but some folks don't want to share their SSN.
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Yeah, a UPIN as already mentioned above, allows FBI NICS to keep the buyers information open. That UPIN number is issued by the FBI, not Florida.

A SSN is helpul, but often does not prevent delays.

Also, b/r checks run on Sat afternoons always take longer because of all the gun shows going on around the state.
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Not unique to Florida btw.
 
I have told this story before. My dad has the same name as a local goober with a long and interesting criminal history. He has been delayed a few times. Once the delay was very interesting, he was told to hang around and wait for an answer and the guy behind the counter just stayed put and on the phone. After 10 or 15 minutes a sheriffs deputy came meandering through the store, and asked the shopkeeper where Mr XXXX was which was responded to by a nod my fathers direction. Deputy responded “ Nah, this guy is white” and moved on. Transaction was approved a short while later. This was probably Clinton era, and I don’t really know what the deal was other than the fact that the deputy knew the name and a description of another guy and came to check out if he was buying a gun. Always seemed a weird situation. I have never heard of police responding to a NICS check, but that’s what it seemed like was going on.
 
dogtown tom said:
Well, yeah you do. Because Florida is a state POC (point of contact) it means licensed dealers do not contact FBI NICS directly, but contact a state agency (your FDLE) who then accesses FBI NICS. (some states are partial POC's, contacting FBI NICS directly for some checks, a state agency for others)
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I have a NICS account, user id and pw. We used to go to FDLE for all sales and any pawns that were longer than 90 days. NICS was a free check, FDLE charged a fee. At some point in the recent past they decided that all checks needed to go through FDLE. State of Fla probably decided it was missing out on fees.

I was good with it because I didn't have to count the days a pawn had been here anymore I could just go and run it through FDLE.
 
I spoke with my ffl dealer today and still no word .He said it could take up to 30 days ,but when i come in he will help me fill out the necessary paperwork to get a upin and hopefully help the next time around. Thanks again for all the helpful advice
 
FlSwampRat said:
.... State of Fla probably decided it was missing out on fees....
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Federal restrictions are one thing, but for the life of me I can't wrap my head around why states think they need another layer of buraeucrats between the dealer and the FBI.
FBI NICS is a free service and toll free call. One of the most efficient and friendly customer service operations you could ask for. They are open seventeen hours a day by phone, 24 hours online.

States that are POC's are costing their taxpayers for a service the FBI provides at no cost.
I can't imagine that states that charge the dealer a fee for each POC check break even on the expenses of staffing.
 
dogtown tom said:
Federal restrictions are one thing, but for the life of me I can't wrap my head around why states think they need another layer of buraeucrats between the dealer and the FBI.
FBI NICS is a free service and toll free call. One of the most efficient and friendly customer service operations you could ask for. They are open seventeen hours a day by phone, 24 hours online.

States that are POC's are costing their taxpayers for a service the FBI provides at no cost.
I can't imagine that states that charge the dealer a fee for each POC check break even on the expenses of staffing.
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Yesterday, a Wednesday, I happened to run two FDLE b/r checks 2 hours apart, middle of the day. The two approvals were 580 numbers apart. Middle of a work day, middle of the week, middle of the month. The one background check came back so fast I had only to switch from submit demographics tab to the submissions tab and had an approval. That's a lot of b/r check fees.
 
FlSwampRat said:
Yesterday, a Wednesday, I happened to run two FDLE b/r checks 2 hours apart, middle of the day. The two approvals were 580 numbers apart. Middle of a work day, middle of the week, middle of the month. The one background check came back so fast I had only to switch from submit demographics tab to the submissions tab and had an approval. That's a lot of b/r check fees.
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what does Florida charge you?
 
Rule3 said:
On what form? The 4473?? It says SS is optional? Unless your state has other forms??
As mention above get a UPIN

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download
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This. I've been expressly told several times by various sales-persons that including my S.S. number was optional, but that leaving it off could increase the wait time. I do believe it says "optional" on the 4473 as well, as pointed out above.
 
Day 34 since purchasing my new handgun.It took a few days to process the amendment form through my local county so i went down to pick up my gun on the 11th of jan.and got a delay from nics.No big deal ,ill just wait a few more days .But wait !The great state of New York has implemented its own waiting period of 30 days after a nics delay.I wonder if nics ever did get around to notifying my ffl or if it just doesn't matter once ny state steps in?I have no idea if the 30 days are business days .I guess ill find out when my ffl calls.This upin is sounding like the way to go.
 
I used to get delayed nearly every time I tried to purchase a firearm. No idea why. Former fed LEO and clean record with all sorts of security clearances. My FFL just released the guns to me anyway and the checks always came back within a day or two.

Now, Washington has some new system in which the local LEO agency has to run the check and it takes a few days for them to get access to my medical and mental health records. Can't wait to get out of this communist state.
 
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