North Carolina concealed carry, rifle caliber pistols, AR or AK ok?

[sean m]

Was hoping that someone could help me on a question I am having in regards to North Carolina concealed carry. When I took my training (many moons ago), the instructor stated that the concealed permit was not valid to carry an AR or AK style pistol. I believe it was due to the design requiring two hands to operate, but I could be mistaken.

I was wondering if this was still the case. I've tried looking through the state statutes for concealed weapons, but have not been able to find anything stating one way or the other.

 

[MedWheeler]

The third definition below from the state's statute is probably where he gets that:

>>>Article 54B.

Concealed Handgun Permit.

§ 14-415.10. Definitions.

The following definitions apply to this Article:

(1) Carry a concealed handgun. - The term includes possession of a concealed handgun.

(1a) Deployed or deployment. - Any military duty that removes a military permittee from the permittee's county of residence during which time the permittee's permit expires or will expire.

(2) Handgun. - A firearm that has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.<<<

 

[BSA1]

I believe it was due to the design requiring two hands to operate, but I could be mistaken.

Aren't almost all factory semi-auto pistols designed to require two hands to operate?

 

[sean m]

Aren't almost all factory semi-auto pistols designed to require two hands to operate?

That is what has me confused. Is this merely a way to differentiate a handgun as a shoulder stocked firearm. Does the definition simple mean the operation of firing the weapon (activating the trigger).

Where would a braced pistol fall into the regulations, if it was attempted to be carried concealed?

 

[sean m]

That is what has me confused. Is this merely a way to differentiate a handgun as a shoulder stocked firearm. Does the definition simple mean the operation of firing the weapon (activating the trigger).

 

[Rule3]

Isn't a AR or AK pistol still a pistol or handgun?. Without braces. They are sold and recorded as a handgun.If you have a strong wrist they can be fired with one hand?

A "regular" semi auto pistol or handgun still requires an the use of a second hand to rack the slide or insert a magazine
(NO I am not talking about tactical reloads and racking the slide using the sight, on you belt or other tacticool things)

 

[MedWheeler]

Rule3 writes:

A "regular" semi auto pistol or handgun still requires an the use of a second hand to rack the slide or insert a magazine..

.. but not to "hold and fire" it.

The argument by the state is probably going to be that any "handgun" that has a portion of its structure meant for the placement of a second hand different than that meant for the first would be a "two-handed gun."

I'd be curious if that also applies to a "Mare's Leg" gun.

 

[Zerodefect]

Truck gun maybe, but ccw? Good luck with that.

Can you convince a jury of ''your peers'' that you were acting in defense with an AK pistol? We're on your side, and it already looks sketchy. Imagine what a nun from Cali is going to think while she's on that jury. Unless Ayoob was sitting on the bench, I'd be sweating .300blk bullets.

Sure, it's still a pistol, but you're going to feel stupid as heck holding it in a courtroom, trying to explain that it was defense, and that you weren't some kind of crazy guy from Chuckee Cheese.

So even if it is legal, for me, it fails the ''can I explain this in court'' rule. Along with Zombie ammo and/or the really tasteless t shirts from a gun show.

 

[Rule3]

Rule3 writes:



.. but not to "hold and fire" it.

The argument by the state is probably going to be that any "handgun" that has a portion of its structure meant for the placement of a second hand different than that meant for the first would be a "two-handed gun."

I'd be curious if that also applies to a "Mare's Leg" gun.

I can hold and fire a AR or AK pistol. It's no different that a 1911 or a Glock in that aspect.
If I use both hands to fire a 1911 is it then a rifle? It's a pistol.

But I have no idea how NC interprets the law.

 

[Zerodefect]

The above pic is perfect. Exactly the same pistol that the "bad guys" carry in every movie.

 

[bearcreek]

Aren't almost all factory semi-auto pistols designed to require two hands to operate?

All firearms are really. There isn't a single one that I've ever heard of that is designed to be operated, as in loaded, action worked and fired entirely with one hand. It can be done in most cases, (and should be practiced, in case the need should ever arise) but they're not intended to be run that way. Heck, I can and have run a 12 gauge pump one handed. Most states and the Feds define handguns that way, even though it's standard practice now to use two hands most of the time.

 

[Rule3]

All I can say is that the BATFE has defined these AK and ARs as PISTOLS which are Handguns

 

[MedWheeler]

Rule3 writes:

I can hold and fire a AR or AK pistol. It's no different that a 1911 or a Glock in that aspect.
If I use both hands to fire a 1911 is it then a rifle? It's a pistol.

But I have no idea how NC interprets the law.

Yep, that last part is key, regardless of what the BATFE says. It's not about NC "interpreting" the law, but about NC actually writing it, and they do so at the state level.

There is no place on a 1911 or a Glock, other than the grip (the portion housing the magazine), that is typically placed for a hand to be positioned during firing. Hand placement, as you point out, does not change a previously-standing definition of the firearm in question. I think the point regarding separate, second hand placement, and a portion of a firearm designed for that, has been made. If I'm right about NC, it won't be the first time I've heard of a "rifle-based pistol" being considered by a jurisdiction as not being a "normal handgun."

Now, here in Florida where you and I are, I'm pretty sure it's a handgun in all aspects of our concealed-carry laws if it lacks a shoulder stock (and is not capable of full-auto fire.)