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North Dakotans: Action time again!!!

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  1. Nickotym

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    The mutilated form of 1348 is coming for a vote within a short time. I will post results. and play by play of any debate.
     
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    The bill passed 48yeas-46nays!!!

    I will put some of the debate up a little later.

    Now if only we can improve it in the senate.
     
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    OK, done listening to the debate on 1351 and 1389, both of which passed.

    I will be paraphrasing greatly, but here is the substance of what happened during the debate on 1348. My audio feed kept cutting out as well, I will put ellipses where it did that.

    Grande: the bill was amended down considerably, it only applies to college apartments and parking areas, does not apply to dorms, sororities and fraternities.

    Froseth: not comfortable, not any safer, bring gun on campus not safe. lots of gray areas in current law.
    only testimony in support was UND SCCC and 2 other individuals. My comments: WE NEED MORE IN SUPPORT AT SENATE HEARING, ESP IF WE WANT TO TRY TO GET MORE PUBLIC GATHERING RESTRICTIONS REMOVED BY AMENDING THE BILL!!!
    Opposition was student organizations, NDSU chief of police, Cass county deputy. He got several emails from ND higher ed, Wahpeton SCS, ND state housing officer association etc. Said it would be hard to manage provisions. stated how some apartments have children, concerned about safety of grandchildren My comments: I am concerned about the safety of my children, that is why I chose to carry concealed. These folks assume that guns and children are a magical combination where the gun will jump out of your holster and attack the innocent children.
     
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    Debate continued:

    Dahl: ( think S Dahl my audio cut out) Spoke in favor, colleges can still make rules.

    Ruby: CCW are law abiding, the law abiding are harmed most by restrictions when not allowed to carry

    Sukut: sound cut out ... wanted to relay some comments from Lynn Aaberg at Williston college she dind't want her kids to have to deal with concealed weapons at school. ... audio cut out... the may cause more problems than it solves

    Mueller: wanted to empahsize some points, referenced "West" (sic) Virginia Tech, don't want that to happen here My comments: Then let us protect ourselves. Bill doesn't say what a concealed weapon is, could be a AK47oooh, an evil AK
    When I was on campus, pressure, roommate conflicts, alcohol all lead to bad decisions, shouldn't be a gun accessible. Vote no.
     
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    More debate:

    Pinkerton: his son attended UND, at that time they had policies where guns could be stored, can't store weapons at present

    Grande: My comments: I wish I was in her district, I would vote for her in a heartbeat for this and her other stances on issues dear to me.People with a CCW are law abiding, upstanding citizens, to get a permit she had to get fingerprinted, BCI background check, If yo vote against this you say law abiding shouldn't be able to have guns, but bad guys can. The language the universities had trouble with (she said the univeristies excuses) have been removed. Bill allows you to protect yourself where you are living. As far as hunting, you can store your hunting rifles at your apartment if you have completed hunter's safety. We are talking about the law abiding here. My comments: She was speaking from the heart, you could tell she is passionate about this.

    Kaldor: Can I ask Grande a question? Are there any prohibitions for a college to allow guns on campus at present? My comments: I think he meant "can any colleges allow guns at present with current law?"

    Grande: they can't allow them now, but even with this new law a college could still make their own policy.

    Kaldor: I am unclear. They can allow them now, but they must be in a central repository. I can see the desire for allowing protection, but this is not the right direction.

    ...audio cut out...

    Ammerman (sp): Mentioned the NDSCS at Wahpeton incident this feb where a student had unloaded guns in his car ( rifle and a handgun) Also last november a student was seen walking out of a dorm with a "45" loaded with hollowpoints and one in the chamber. The guy was illegal, but he put a lot of emphasis on being hollowpoints and one in chamber, he should have asked the cop who told him this how he carries. for self defense, hollowpoints and one in chamber is best.

    audio kept cutting out....

    made a big deal that the student at NDSCS this feb had an AK47, those evil AKs again

    Schmidt: made some comments, but my sound cut out... What concerns me is this does not permit any ....My comments: I think he made some question about the pre-emption clause at the end of the bill which is old law.

    Boehning: ? for Amerman - Did the students expelled at NDSCS have permits?

    Amerman: Not sure, it is under appeal, the guy with the 45 ws allowed back at school, but can't live on campus, the guy in feb is under appeal.

    Boehning: lost sound again, the server must have been swamped. Something about In both instances

    Amerman: One had a loaded 45, the other had a pistol and rifle.

    Boehning: There is no boogeyman in this bill, CCW holders are living in apartments, law enforcement allowed them to get permits. Criminals don't have permits.

    No further discussion, vote was held, 48 yeas, 46 nays, HB 1348 passed.
     
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    DO NOT CARRY ONTO K-12 SCHOOL GROUNDS. ND law doesn't address it, but federal law makes it a no-no. Get caught doing this, and you will be arrested and prosecuted.

    Nickotym, thanks for all the work you put into this. I'm sad to see they gutted the bill.
     
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    I was wrong on what Psyopspec quoted from me in his last post.


    You are correct psyopspec, however, if ND law did allow it fed law would too.
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922(q).html

    For the foreseeable future though, K-12 carry will be a no-no in ND.
     
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    Anyone local that catches newscasts or newspaper articles please pm me on them.
     
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    I think the original version could have passed without being amended if the college campus part was left out. We have a lot of 'it takes a village' nanny state types in higher ed that will always raise a stink about stuff like this.
     
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    Here is the list of how the reps voted on the bill. There were 3 Ds who voted for it and several Rs who voted against it.

     
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    John Wall was my high school journalism teacher for three years, and Clark Williams was my high school principal during the same time. Upstanding gentlemen for the most part, but too bad they voted the way they did. I'll try to find out why next time I see either of them.
     
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    Glad to have you back on board at least in spirit even though you no longer live in ND, psyopspec.
     
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    start sending this out, adapting by adding your name and town in ND or where you are from if you would visit ND.

    Sample email to send to senators on HB 1348:

     
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    Letter sent. Thanks.
     
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    psyopspec

    Remind me give you a severe beating next time you come back for not telling me about this thread.

    On a side note, Mr. Bulgaria said you wanted him to buy your .50. Sick of it already?

    pesticidal

    Geez, only in ND. You live just a few houses down from Rep. Grande? I live 3 houses away from her. I sent you a PM.
     
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    HB 1348 has been assigned to the Government and Veterans Affairs Committee in the Senate. They meet Thursday and Friday. The members are:
    (R) Dick Dever - Chairman
    (R) Dave Oehlke - Vice Chairman
    (R) Dwight Cook
    (R) Robert M. Horne
    (R) Carolyn Nelson

    There is no hearing scheduled for 1348 next week. Hopefully I can give more than 1 weeks notice before the hearing.
     
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    Here is the amended text of the bill as we would like to see it:

     
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    Did you submit this to anyone in the Senate as an amendment?
     
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    I submitted it to Lyson and Wanzek who are the sponsors of the bill on the senate side.

    Thanks for checking.
     
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    Just saw on the state legislature site that a hearing has been scheduled for 3-12-09 at 2:00 PM in the Government and Veterans Affairs Committee. We need to have as many people as possible there in support of the bill. We need to let them know we want it to be restored to its initial intent with the amendments I presented to Lyson and Wanzek and keep the protections offered by the House amendment. Please get this message to as many people as you can.



    Please PM me if you can make it to the hearing. The more the merrier.
     
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    Right now it is scheduled for the Missouri River Room. Let's get enough people there that they have to move it to a bigger room.
     
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    Senate Hearing was today. I will give a synopsis tomorrow.
     
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    Still waiting to hear what the committee decided. Keep emailing the senators on the committee if you haven't yet. Last time a lot of the "testimony" was sent in after the fact by our opposition.
     
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    Just caught the very tail end of the senate floor debate and vote on 1348. We got 23 votews for and 23 votes against. Unfortunately a tie doesn't get a re-vote, it means the bill failed.

    I will put up the names of those who voted for it as soon as they are available so folks can send out thank you notes to them for supporting us. I will be sending a Thank you to all the senators and representatives who supported this bill and would ask you to do the same.
     
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